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Outcome – Meeting with Dr AR Bernard

 Tweet I have asked Eng Han about the outcome of A.R. Bernard meeting. He held his peace and didn’t want to talk about it.  The other person who attended the meeting with him also didn’t want to make any comments.  I was told the content of the meeting is private and confidential. I think many people would want to know, but I couldn’t get Eng Han to comment so I decided to type A.R. Bernard message and my personal comments in blue.  If possible please discern yourself.

 

The following is the transcript of Dr AR Bernard message preached on 21st September 2013:

Let me uh, speak to you apostolically and from the position of a spiritual advisor [to] Pst Kong, Sun and CHC. This past week, on Monday evening, I had a meeting here in Singapore that was requested by several individuals. I was approached in the spirit of reconciliation, in the spirit of concern for the health and future of CHC. I listened, and I expressed the fact that I too am concerned about the health and future of CHC. I also expressed that I understood where they were coming from in the things that they shared. That meeting was in confidence, and the purpose of the meeting, as it was presented to me, was to follow the pattern of Matthew chapter 18, where it says that if you have an offence with a brother, that you go to them. It was told to me that that first step was taken. And the next step was to bring a witness. So it presented to me for the purpose of, and the spirit of, reconciliation.

I expressed to these individuals that I met with, that 1) I will not be used or manipulated by anyone to further their agenda. At the end of the meeting I also expressed and warned that they should abstain from slander, that they should abstain from gossip, because if they engage in it, then as far as I’m concerned, they destroy their credibility in my eyes, and the credibility of anything that they have to say.

 shut-mouthAR Bernard warned us not to slander and gossip!

I want you to know that just because I sat down and listened to what they had to say, and told them that I will pray about it and get back to them with next steps, it does not mean in any way that I endorse their agenda, endorse their position, or endorse anything that they’re trying to accomplish.

I listened, as a statesman, and my next step was to sit down and have a wonderful conversation with Pst Kong and Pst Sun.

 lyingI wondered when? 

So. There is a process in place for individuals who really don’t like the way things are going at CHC. And see, I’m from New York, so we’re very confrontational and in your face, so when you come to me, be prepared to put the cards on the table and deal with it. But that’s me.

So I’m telling you what took place this week. And if these individuals are sincere and legitimate, then they will take a next step to arrange a good sit-down meeting in the spirit of reconciliation, and really honour the leadership of this house, Pst Kong and Sun.

disapointed I recited what A.R Bernard has said, “I have a low tolerance for foolishness”. Didn’t Eng Han already told A.R Bernard that he had already sat down 4hours meeting with Pst Kong and Pst Sun many months ago? What was the outcome from that meeting? Perhaps Pst Kong or Pst Sun has repented to GOD only, BUT there is no restitution action from them. I think only a fool will arrange a sit-down meeting with them.

So I’ll be back some time at the beginning of next year, and I will have a follow-up announcement, and I will let you know how this all turns out.

glasses-nerdyDo you need high IQ to know how this all turns out? Well I know God has it plan, shall we see?

*crowd applauds*

Face-clap Clap clap.  Do you know the total expenses incurred to bring A.R Bernard? Ops I should abstain from gossiping.

When you have an issue with someone, especially with those at leadership, don’t go and talk to other people. Go to the person that you have a problem with. Thank you, I appreciate the three men I got.  I’m serious, if you have a problem, you go and talk to them. You don’t go to other people, and, and in the disguise of, well, could you join me and pray. Because sometimes when we share things to be prayed about, it’s actually gossip in disguise. Turn to your neighbour and say he’s talking about somebody you know.

face-confused Heh, if you have problem with Eng Han, go to him and talk to him!

Scripture is very clear on how issues are supposed to be dealt with in the house of God. And there is an honour and a respect that should come for the leadership who is anointed by God. And even David understood this. In spite of the conflict that he had with Saul, he understood that the man, Saul, was anointed king and he had to respect that and let God take His course in dealing with whatever issues are present.

face-thinkingI am letting God take His course in dealing with whatever….

Let me share a verse of scripture with you. I never walk on this, is this safe?

Let me share a passage of scripture with you. So you’re gonna get 2 sermons tonight. This is the 1st one.

In the book of James chapter 3, verse 1. And I’m reading from the amplified bible and I hope you can put it up on the screen, the amplified bible, because if you don’t have this particular translation, I really want you to see it and get the flavor of it.

It’s a wonderful passage; it speaks about the responsibility of those that would teach others. But the way that it is expressed in the amplified bible is even more specific to the original Greek language and it’s implications. So let’s read it in verse 1.

“Not many of you should become teachers.” And I love the deeper shade of meaning here. “(Self constituted censures and reprovers of others), my brethren, for you know that we teachers will be judged by a higher standard and with greater severity than other people. Thus, we assume the greater accountability and the more condemnation.” By what we do.

V2 “For we all often stumble and fall and offend in many things. And if anyone does not offend in speech [never says the wrong things], he is a fully developed character and a perfect man, able to control his whole body and to curb his entire nature.”

Let us go to verse 17. Verse 17 speaks of the tone and spirit that one should have when engaged in reconciliation, when engaged in dealing with any issues that occur between brothers and sisters in the Lord.

It says this: “But the wisdom from above is first of all pure (undefiled); then it is peace-loving, courteous (considerate, gentle). [It is willing to] yield to reason, full of compassion and good fruits; it is wholehearted and straightforward, impartial and unfeigned (free from doubts, wavering, and insincerity).”

Now, I present those verses to you because that is the spirit in which we resolve any issues between brothers and sisters, between leadership at any level, within the church of Jesus Christ.

You are in a very, very – I’d like to say interesting, but – but you’re in a very interesting place. Because God did not raise up CHC or bring you this far to leave you. He has a reason, a purpose for your existence, and He raised up an individual, infused that individual with a vision. They became the visionary, and of course, they became the fuel, the energy behind the vision. And when God called Pst Kong and Sun, I have a strong feeling He knew all about them. He knew their strengths, He knew their weaknesses. He knew, over the years, where this ministry would come to. And unlike people, God remains faithful. God is good even when things are bad. God is faithful even when we are unfaithful and make mistakes. So if anyone comes to you and has anything to say about this leadership, or about this ministry, you test to make sure that it is in the spirit of Godly wisdom that has been expressed in the scripture, and that they understand the responsibility that they take upon themselves, and they determine to reprove. Especially those that are in leadership.

God sets boundaries for order. And God is not the author of confusion. He is a God of order. Amen?

face-smile-bigI thank God that He has allowed this CHC case to happen. 

Now, is that ok that I express this with you guys? Up in the balcony, way up there, are we ok with this? Alright, I have a low tolerance for foolishness, and maybe it’s because I’m getting older, I don’t know. But the bottom-line is issues are to be dealt with upfront, on the table, in the open, and not behind closed doors.

So we will see, maybe folks will get mad at me tonight because of what I just said. Maybe I’ll be attacked.

face-angelGod-fearing Christian already disgusted with AR Bernard, you don’t have to wait for tonight message to be attacked by people.  See Churchwatcher in C3 & Pringles Associations website.  Someone has already posted an article about AR Bernard integrity.  Dated 17 Wednesday April 2013.

Maybe I’ll become famous and on the blogs. *crowd laughs* I don’t care. Simple as that. That’s the freedom, the authority that I walk in, in Christ. I don’t claim to be perfect. I have made my mistakes along the way, and if I could do some things differently, oh boy, would I. And if you wanna know the details of my mistakes, ask my wife, but I don’t want you to ask her. But we understand what it is to be committed, to be covenanted, and God is a God of covenant.  Whether it’s between Him and people, or between people and people in the context of serving Him. Amen?

Now, Pst Kong, let me ask you a question. Come, come up here.

*crowd claps as Pst Kong goes on stage*

I hope you’ll invite me back to preach after all this, (inaudible).

You’ve been through a lot, and I know that for reasons of the trial, you have to be careful what you say. You have to be careful what you can respond to, what you can’t respond to.

Erm, because it can undermine what the attorneys of the church and the attorneys of all the individuals are trying to accomplish. And I think they’re trying to get you exonerated. I mean, I wouldn’t pay them if they weren’t trying to do that.

But I wanna make sure, because I’m here, I come and go. But I wanna make sure, so I’m asking you this publicly. You’ve had time to reflect. You’ve had time to look back. I know you’re not perfect, so you don’t have to tell me. I know that already. Sun told me already. *crowd laughs*

Don’t worry about it, we have covenant, you won’t get any information from her.

But as you look back, on hindsight, would you say that – I don’t know any other way to put this, so I’ll try to be as nice as I can – would you say that you made some dumb mistakes?

PK: Dumb mistakes? Absolutely.

ARB: Stupid?

PK: Stupid. Doctor Cole would say asinine.

ARB: Asinine, I like that even better. Thanks for reminding me.

Would you say that there were some areas of weakness in leadership, and the decision-making that you made, over time?

PK: Yes, doctor, ya.

ARB: So you’re not pretending to be innocent of being human. You’re not pretending to be innocent of making mistakes and unwise judgments along the way as all leaders (points to himself) do?

PK: Absolutely not.

ARB: I just wanna make sure because I don’t want anyone to, you know, have the impression because you stand up here and share the Word of God continuously – which is really hard to do given circumstances that you’re in, to be consistent with it –  erm, how have you worked those mistakes out in your relationship with the Lord?

PK: Well, doctor I, I, the only way I know how to do it is bring all my problems, my mistakes, my oversight, my sins, in prayer, in repentance, and say Jesus, forgive me, cleanse me, help me never to commit those same mistakes ever again.

ARB: Have you done that?

PK: Doctor, all the time.

ARB: Again and again?

PK: Again and again. Not because I’m guilt conscious in any way, but… yeah, 3 years is a long time to reflect on 20 over years of ministry.

ARB: Yeah, it is. It really is. Now, he is nervous right now because he has no idea what I’m going to ask him.

So I’m gonna leave it there, alright? Because these people love you, they support you. They don’t think you’re perfect, Sun told them too. But when you embrace a leader, you embrace not only his spirituality; you embrace his humanity. They come together in 1 package. And there will always be something you may disagree with, not feel good about. But your commitment to God’s vision, and your love for that person, transcends those weaknesses, those faults. I love you. *hugs Pst Kong for a long time*

*Pst Kong leaves the stage*

love-over Repentance to God only?  What did you do to Eng Han and is still doing to him? Where is the restitution? 

Come on, give your pastor a round of applause. *crowd gives standing ovation*

Come on, you can do better than that.

Thank you. You see the big smile on his face when he did that? It’s great when you have people that just love doing what they do for God. Amen?

Some of those times in our church, when the Spirit of God moves in a very specific and special way, I’m careful not to try to compete with that. So what is true at home, is true here. And as I sat there and observed for the first time, as you, the video, I felt that it would be unwise for me to try to build on that by giving you another preaching. I think that inherent in what we shared was a very deep and profound message about unity, about the body of Christ, about the spirit of reconciliation, and how things should be done.

Jesus loves us. And that may seem like a very light and even (some word 29:18) statement, but it is the very basis of our salvation. And the reason why Jesus is going to return to scoop us out of this world in which we live, is not because we’ve been so good. Not because we worship. Not because we prayed. Not because we’ve done anything to deserve His return. What’s going to bring Him back is the same love that brought Him the first time. And it’s that love, that great love, with which He loves us.

Let’s all stand right now, and you need to appreciate the leadership of this house, Pastor Kong Hee and his lovely wife, Sun. *another standing ovation* *Pst Kong and Sun clasp their hands and bow their heads*

Hallelujah!

And here’s what I tell people in New York: if you are in a church that you don’t like, and that you have a problem with the church and its leadership, your continued attendance becomes a testimony to your stupidity. 

Because why in the world would you continue to reside in an environment that is deemed by you to be contrary to your spiritual growth and development? Here is a clue for you: Pray and ask God for another church. So you can go to that church *crowd applauds*. So that you can be an asset and not a liability. So that you can flourish in an environment that you’re comfortable with, not an environment that you’re contrary with.

That’s just common sense. And unfortunately, if common sense were so common, more people would have it.

bye Bye bye! 

 

 

 

 

Chew Eng Han Statement – Meeting with Dr AR Bernard

Subsequent to a skype conference call on Aug 1 2013 with Dr AR Bernard, I have requested and been granted a meeting with him when he visits Singapore in the coming weeks.  Dr Bernard is the chairman of the advisory board of City Harvest Church.  The objective of this meeting, as conveyed to Dr Bernard, is to abide by the biblical process of dealing with spiritual and moral issues which I have with the church leadership.  Dr Bernard is a highly respected figure in his home base in the US, as well as in Singapore, and I have reason to hope that he will deal with the issues at hand with utmost seriousness and responsibility.

 

For His kingdom
Chew Eng Han

Getting away with murder – Where is God?

In day to day life, from time to time, either at work or in a family setting, one has to deal with people who will test your faith. They are scheming, manipulating and always seem to have the upper hand. You know that they lied or cheated to get a promotion, that they proceeded to character assassination to discredit and ultimately eliminate their potential rivals. Still, they rise, they rise! Often a direct witness, you can only be a by-stander, enduring in pain in the sidelines, wondering how long more until such people get busted. Problem is, they never seem to be! People with authority love them for their “wisdom”, achievements and splendor. Who are you to hint at anything? You whistle blowing holds no weight! A whole organization, the very core fabric of a society can crumble in silence, unnoticed as the “little people” discreet warnings and ever growing sighs are not listened. One might wonder how such people always seem to “get away with murder”, as per the popular expression.

History is filled with such characters. In the book of Judges, chapter 9, we witness the rise of such a charismatic leader who literally got away with murder. Abimelech was such a person. One of the 70 sons of Gideon (who had many wives and concubines, one of them, a servant, the mother of Abimelech), Abimelech got all his brothers murdered to get rid of competition right after rising to power through his charismatic speaking gift. All, but one, Jotham, the youngest, who managed to go into hiding and from the sidelines could only lament about how unfair the situation was. How, with such a character and wickedness, could Abimelech lead the people and hold on to power? Where is God in all this?

“Where is God?”, was a key question when the Jews were persecuted till near extermination during WW2. “Where is God?” was asked when they were being pursued by the Gestapo all over Europe. When their very own Polish, Ukranian, French, Belgium neighbours were denouncing them and the Gentiles who were hiding them? Where was God when entire Christian families were executed on the spot for hiding a 4 year old Jewish girl? For doing the right thing? Is there ever an end to injustice? Where was God when even within his own camp Abimelech’s allies starting to rebel, were being crushed, defeat after defeat?

“Where is God?” when your horrible boss asks for sexual favors, or else you would get a sack that you cannot afford? “Where is God?” when you are betrayed and have no one else to turn to?

Where was God when one last tower in the city of Thebez was left standing against Abimelech’s assaults? All the city surviving inhabitants were concentrated in the tower. Their weaponry was drawing dramatically short. Facing starvation, there was no hope. Act of sheer obedience, faith or utter desperation, a woman took what she had, a millstone, and threw it over the tower rampart. Bang! Right on Abimelech’s head, who out of displaced self-confidence drew too close to the walls! 
The skull crushed, Abimelech only had time to realize that, of all things, him, Abimelech, fell to a woman with a kitchen utensil! How ridiculously shameful!

This is where God is. He brings the proud and the haughty down in the most shameful possible way! Their grandeur is brought to halt in such a way that there is no room left for future fabled and embellishment. The one who terrifies you today can be gone in a second, his deeds brought to light in the most shameful ways.

In my working life, I have, unfortunately met several “bigger than life” characters that were blatantly violating the rules because they knew they are in power. They actually take pleasure in violating the rules and seeing people disapproving in silence. My colleagues and I even gave one such person the nickname “Smiling Tiger”.
Invariably, when their meteoric rise is gaining full momentum, when we least expect, they fall, with their misdeeds splashed in the public place. Some do die. 
As believers, our job is to hate the deeds, love the person and pray that they repent before the fall and the humiliation that goes with it. Meanwhile, we need to make a stand for what is right and wrong.

They are not stronger, taller or any better than us. Their wickedness is no protection. It is a decoy. 

If we fail to stand for right and wrong, individuality or as a society, we expose ourselves to years of deep suffering, wondering where God is. 

But the point is that we ate of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (Genesis 3) we must assume the responsibility of standing for good versus evil. This is the price to pay and this is our calling. Failing to do so, we let the Abimelechs of our lives gaining influence and power while we patiently endure, until the fall. Because God is just. Would it not be better if we could see God in us move through us well before all the suffering? Well before He again has to act in the most dramatic fashion?

From JJ Lavigne

COC’s response to written submissions

Mr. Chew Eng Han’s statement 1 Aug 2013
Re: COC’s response to written submissions

The Commissioner of Charities (“COC”) has written to my counsel to inform that it had received requests from seven of the suspended individuals (except myself) and the Governing Board of the City Harvest Church (“CHC”), to defer the removal proceedings until after the conclusion of the criminal trial.  Hence all suspended individuals, except myself (this is moot now anyway) have voluntarily undertaken to refrain any management and/or executive roles with CHC, and also to extend their suspension from positions contained in their respective suspension orders, until 6 months after the conclusion of the criminal trial.  Further, CHC has also undertaken that it would not engage any of the suspended individuals (including myself, again moot) for any management and/or executive role within CHC.

Having taken into account all relevant considerations, the COC has decided to defer the removal proceedings for all suspended individuals.  They will defer mine as well even though I have made full submissions of written representations and indicated my readiness to appear before the COC board.  The COC has stated that it will consider my written submissions carefully and thoroughly before making a decision, which it now appears will be done only after the trial.

As a point of clarification, even though the removal actions are irrelevant now given my exit from CHC, I am nevertheless contesting them on the grounds that the allegations were in the first place without basis.  I trust that in due course COC will give a favourable decision upon reviewing my representations.

A Risk Management Perspective on the CHC Case

Following are links to a series of articles written by an expert in Risk Management, setting out his thoughts and analysis on the CHC case.

  1. City Harvest Case part 1: Following God or Mammon?
  2. City Harvest Case part 2: If There is a Fraud What Would be the Motives?
  3. City Harvest Case part 3: The Opportunity Makes the Thief
  4. City Harvest Case part 4: Can you Rationalize a Crime to be Beneficial to Society?
  5. City Harvest Case part 5: CHC’s Crossover or Sun Ho’s Crossover

[Edit: Added Part 4 and Part 5 (23/9/2013)]

Marc Ronez is a well-known expert in Enterprise Risk Management, Corporate Governance, Business Ethics, Social Responsibility and Crisis Management, with about 20 years of experience in the field. He is currently the Chief Risk Strategist, Knowledge Leader and Master Coach for ARiMI, the Asia Risk Management Institute.

Marc has an MBA from the University of Chicago GSB, an MSc in Insurance and a LLM from the University of La Sorbonne. He is also a Fellow in Applied Risk Management (FARM) from the CARM Institute.