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    Outcome – Meeting with Dr AR Bernard

    • 23 September 2013
     Tweet I have asked Eng Han about the outcome of A.R. Bernard meeting. He held his peace and didn’t want to talk about it.  The other person who attended the meeting with him also didn’t want to make any comments.  I was told the content of the meeting is private and confidential. I think many people would want to know, but I couldn’t get Eng Han to comment so I decided to type A.R. Bernard message and my personal comments in blue.  If possible please discern yourself.

     

    The following is the transcript of Dr AR Bernard message preached on 21st September 2013:

    Let me uh, speak to you apostolically and from the position of a spiritual advisor [to] Pst Kong, Sun and CHC. This past week, on Monday evening, I had a meeting here in Singapore that was requested by several individuals. I was approached in the spirit of reconciliation, in the spirit of concern for the health and future of CHC. I listened, and I expressed the fact that I too am concerned about the health and future of CHC. I also expressed that I understood where they were coming from in the things that they shared. That meeting was in confidence, and the purpose of the meeting, as it was presented to me, was to follow the pattern of Matthew chapter 18, where it says that if you have an offence with a brother, that you go to them. It was told to me that that first step was taken. And the next step was to bring a witness. So it presented to me for the purpose of, and the spirit of, reconciliation.

    I expressed to these individuals that I met with, that 1) I will not be used or manipulated by anyone to further their agenda. At the end of the meeting I also expressed and warned that they should abstain from slander, that they should abstain from gossip, because if they engage in it, then as far as I’m concerned, they destroy their credibility in my eyes, and the credibility of anything that they have to say.

     shut-mouthAR Bernard warned us not to slander and gossip!

    I want you to know that just because I sat down and listened to what they had to say, and told them that I will pray about it and get back to them with next steps, it does not mean in any way that I endorse their agenda, endorse their position, or endorse anything that they’re trying to accomplish.

    I listened, as a statesman, and my next step was to sit down and have a wonderful conversation with Pst Kong and Pst Sun.

     lyingI wondered when? 

    So. There is a process in place for individuals who really don’t like the way things are going at CHC. And see, I’m from New York, so we’re very confrontational and in your face, so when you come to me, be prepared to put the cards on the table and deal with it. But that’s me.

    So I’m telling you what took place this week. And if these individuals are sincere and legitimate, then they will take a next step to arrange a good sit-down meeting in the spirit of reconciliation, and really honour the leadership of this house, Pst Kong and Sun.

    disapointed I recited what A.R Bernard has said, “I have a low tolerance for foolishness”. Didn’t Eng Han already told A.R Bernard that he had already sat down 4hours meeting with Pst Kong and Pst Sun many months ago? What was the outcome from that meeting? Perhaps Pst Kong or Pst Sun has repented to GOD only, BUT there is no restitution action from them. I think only a fool will arrange a sit-down meeting with them.

    So I’ll be back some time at the beginning of next year, and I will have a follow-up announcement, and I will let you know how this all turns out.

    glasses-nerdyDo you need high IQ to know how this all turns out? Well I know God has it plan, shall we see?

    *crowd applauds*

    Face-clap Clap clap.  Do you know the total expenses incurred to bring A.R Bernard? Ops I should abstain from gossiping.

    When you have an issue with someone, especially with those at leadership, don’t go and talk to other people. Go to the person that you have a problem with. Thank you, I appreciate the three men I got.  I’m serious, if you have a problem, you go and talk to them. You don’t go to other people, and, and in the disguise of, well, could you join me and pray. Because sometimes when we share things to be prayed about, it’s actually gossip in disguise. Turn to your neighbour and say he’s talking about somebody you know.

    face-confused Heh, if you have problem with Eng Han, go to him and talk to him!

    Scripture is very clear on how issues are supposed to be dealt with in the house of God. And there is an honour and a respect that should come for the leadership who is anointed by God. And even David understood this. In spite of the conflict that he had with Saul, he understood that the man, Saul, was anointed king and he had to respect that and let God take His course in dealing with whatever issues are present.

    face-thinkingI am letting God take His course in dealing with whatever….

    Let me share a verse of scripture with you. I never walk on this, is this safe?

    Let me share a passage of scripture with you. So you’re gonna get 2 sermons tonight. This is the 1st one.

    In the book of James chapter 3, verse 1. And I’m reading from the amplified bible and I hope you can put it up on the screen, the amplified bible, because if you don’t have this particular translation, I really want you to see it and get the flavor of it.

    It’s a wonderful passage; it speaks about the responsibility of those that would teach others. But the way that it is expressed in the amplified bible is even more specific to the original Greek language and it’s implications. So let’s read it in verse 1.

    “Not many of you should become teachers.” And I love the deeper shade of meaning here. “(Self constituted censures and reprovers of others), my brethren, for you know that we teachers will be judged by a higher standard and with greater severity than other people. Thus, we assume the greater accountability and the more condemnation.” By what we do.

    V2 “For we all often stumble and fall and offend in many things. And if anyone does not offend in speech [never says the wrong things], he is a fully developed character and a perfect man, able to control his whole body and to curb his entire nature.”

    Let us go to verse 17. Verse 17 speaks of the tone and spirit that one should have when engaged in reconciliation, when engaged in dealing with any issues that occur between brothers and sisters in the Lord.

    It says this: “But the wisdom from above is first of all pure (undefiled); then it is peace-loving, courteous (considerate, gentle). [It is willing to] yield to reason, full of compassion and good fruits; it is wholehearted and straightforward, impartial and unfeigned (free from doubts, wavering, and insincerity).”

    Now, I present those verses to you because that is the spirit in which we resolve any issues between brothers and sisters, between leadership at any level, within the church of Jesus Christ.

    You are in a very, very – I’d like to say interesting, but – but you’re in a very interesting place. Because God did not raise up CHC or bring you this far to leave you. He has a reason, a purpose for your existence, and He raised up an individual, infused that individual with a vision. They became the visionary, and of course, they became the fuel, the energy behind the vision. And when God called Pst Kong and Sun, I have a strong feeling He knew all about them. He knew their strengths, He knew their weaknesses. He knew, over the years, where this ministry would come to. And unlike people, God remains faithful. God is good even when things are bad. God is faithful even when we are unfaithful and make mistakes. So if anyone comes to you and has anything to say about this leadership, or about this ministry, you test to make sure that it is in the spirit of Godly wisdom that has been expressed in the scripture, and that they understand the responsibility that they take upon themselves, and they determine to reprove. Especially those that are in leadership.

    God sets boundaries for order. And God is not the author of confusion. He is a God of order. Amen?

    face-smile-bigI thank God that He has allowed this CHC case to happen. 

    Now, is that ok that I express this with you guys? Up in the balcony, way up there, are we ok with this? Alright, I have a low tolerance for foolishness, and maybe it’s because I’m getting older, I don’t know. But the bottom-line is issues are to be dealt with upfront, on the table, in the open, and not behind closed doors.

    So we will see, maybe folks will get mad at me tonight because of what I just said. Maybe I’ll be attacked.

    face-angelGod-fearing Christian already disgusted with AR Bernard, you don’t have to wait for tonight message to be attacked by people.  See Churchwatcher in C3 & Pringles Associations website.  Someone has already posted an article about AR Bernard integrity.  Dated 17 Wednesday April 2013.

    Maybe I’ll become famous and on the blogs. *crowd laughs* I don’t care. Simple as that. That’s the freedom, the authority that I walk in, in Christ. I don’t claim to be perfect. I have made my mistakes along the way, and if I could do some things differently, oh boy, would I. And if you wanna know the details of my mistakes, ask my wife, but I don’t want you to ask her. But we understand what it is to be committed, to be covenanted, and God is a God of covenant.  Whether it’s between Him and people, or between people and people in the context of serving Him. Amen?

    Now, Pst Kong, let me ask you a question. Come, come up here.

    *crowd claps as Pst Kong goes on stage*

    I hope you’ll invite me back to preach after all this, (inaudible).

    You’ve been through a lot, and I know that for reasons of the trial, you have to be careful what you say. You have to be careful what you can respond to, what you can’t respond to.

    Erm, because it can undermine what the attorneys of the church and the attorneys of all the individuals are trying to accomplish. And I think they’re trying to get you exonerated. I mean, I wouldn’t pay them if they weren’t trying to do that.

    But I wanna make sure, because I’m here, I come and go. But I wanna make sure, so I’m asking you this publicly. You’ve had time to reflect. You’ve had time to look back. I know you’re not perfect, so you don’t have to tell me. I know that already. Sun told me already. *crowd laughs*

    Don’t worry about it, we have covenant, you won’t get any information from her.

    But as you look back, on hindsight, would you say that – I don’t know any other way to put this, so I’ll try to be as nice as I can – would you say that you made some dumb mistakes?

    PK: Dumb mistakes? Absolutely.

    ARB: Stupid?

    PK: Stupid. Doctor Cole would say asinine.

    ARB: Asinine, I like that even better. Thanks for reminding me.

    Would you say that there were some areas of weakness in leadership, and the decision-making that you made, over time?

    PK: Yes, doctor, ya.

    ARB: So you’re not pretending to be innocent of being human. You’re not pretending to be innocent of making mistakes and unwise judgments along the way as all leaders (points to himself) do?

    PK: Absolutely not.

    ARB: I just wanna make sure because I don’t want anyone to, you know, have the impression because you stand up here and share the Word of God continuously – which is really hard to do given circumstances that you’re in, to be consistent with it –  erm, how have you worked those mistakes out in your relationship with the Lord?

    PK: Well, doctor I, I, the only way I know how to do it is bring all my problems, my mistakes, my oversight, my sins, in prayer, in repentance, and say Jesus, forgive me, cleanse me, help me never to commit those same mistakes ever again.

    ARB: Have you done that?

    PK: Doctor, all the time.

    ARB: Again and again?

    PK: Again and again. Not because I’m guilt conscious in any way, but… yeah, 3 years is a long time to reflect on 20 over years of ministry.

    ARB: Yeah, it is. It really is. Now, he is nervous right now because he has no idea what I’m going to ask him.

    So I’m gonna leave it there, alright? Because these people love you, they support you. They don’t think you’re perfect, Sun told them too. But when you embrace a leader, you embrace not only his spirituality; you embrace his humanity. They come together in 1 package. And there will always be something you may disagree with, not feel good about. But your commitment to God’s vision, and your love for that person, transcends those weaknesses, those faults. I love you. *hugs Pst Kong for a long time*

    *Pst Kong leaves the stage*

    love-over Repentance to God only?  What did you do to Eng Han and is still doing to him? Where is the restitution? 

    Come on, give your pastor a round of applause. *crowd gives standing ovation*

    Come on, you can do better than that.

    Thank you. You see the big smile on his face when he did that? It’s great when you have people that just love doing what they do for God. Amen?

    Some of those times in our church, when the Spirit of God moves in a very specific and special way, I’m careful not to try to compete with that. So what is true at home, is true here. And as I sat there and observed for the first time, as you, the video, I felt that it would be unwise for me to try to build on that by giving you another preaching. I think that inherent in what we shared was a very deep and profound message about unity, about the body of Christ, about the spirit of reconciliation, and how things should be done.

    Jesus loves us. And that may seem like a very light and even (some word 29:18) statement, but it is the very basis of our salvation. And the reason why Jesus is going to return to scoop us out of this world in which we live, is not because we’ve been so good. Not because we worship. Not because we prayed. Not because we’ve done anything to deserve His return. What’s going to bring Him back is the same love that brought Him the first time. And it’s that love, that great love, with which He loves us.

    Let’s all stand right now, and you need to appreciate the leadership of this house, Pastor Kong Hee and his lovely wife, Sun. *another standing ovation* *Pst Kong and Sun clasp their hands and bow their heads*

    Hallelujah!

    And here’s what I tell people in New York: if you are in a church that you don’t like, and that you have a problem with the church and its leadership, your continued attendance becomes a testimony to your stupidity. 

    Because why in the world would you continue to reside in an environment that is deemed by you to be contrary to your spiritual growth and development? Here is a clue for you: Pray and ask God for another church. So you can go to that church *crowd applauds*. So that you can be an asset and not a liability. So that you can flourish in an environment that you’re comfortable with, not an environment that you’re contrary with.

    That’s just common sense. And unfortunately, if common sense were so common, more people would have it.

    bye Bye bye! 

     

     

     

     

    46 Comments

    • Rabbi Jacob

      23 Sep 2013 04:09 pm

      This is all sounding so wrong. I cannot pinpoint it. Not comfortable at all… Reconciliation cannot be step one of the process. It can only be the end-result.
      This comforts my conviction that Chew Eng Han is driven to the slaughterhouse for reasons he still ignores and that some people still don’t want to own to the full extend of what happened. I myself don’t know the full extend of what happened (obviously!!), but the bond structuring is not the issue between Chew Eng Han and CHC leadership. There is something else but the church members are not told. They are told to forgive people’s mistake and love, Jesus’s way. But can we call for blanket forgiveness without even knowing the object of the call for forgiveness? Weird, no? That’s where I have a mental block. Actually, it is more a spiritual block. My spirit is aggraved.

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    • Common Sense

      23 Sep 2013 05:09 pm

      Thanks to my common sense, I am out of CHC.
      And whatever respect I had for ARB, it is now seriously questioned. The way he overly embraced PK and Pastor Sun made me wonder are you truly responsible to uphold truth and justice.
      And that CEH, if he came to you wanting to tell you what’s happening within the leadership, you could have rebuke him face to face if you don’t believe him. Why do it church wide using the pulpit? It’s just not fair.
      If you don’t know enough (understandably so since you are so far away), please at least remain neutral and don’t do any more hurts and damages by misleading the CONgregation. They have been conned enough.

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    • Tom

      23 Sep 2013 08:09 pm

      Thanks for sharing the details of his sermon on Sunday. I am always puzzled by those CHC parents who are still sending their young children and youth to the church when the leaders are known to be lying so openly and repeatedly. In the future, how can I tell my children that it is not ok to lie? How can I tell my children to have the courage to admit their mistakes and to apologise when the leaders I respected do not even have the courage to do so? How can I teach my children about forgiveness when leaders are constantly in a stage of denial? How can I teach my children to have the courage to stand for the truth when all the zone leaders, worship leaders and executive pastors are not speaking out? How can I tell my children to be the light and salt of the earth and not be ashamed of the gospel when the leaders have so many hidden agendas. Seriously, for the sake of the young children, I hope the CHC parents can make some wise decision with their eyes, ears and heart open to the Lord.

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    • Come to think of it

      23 Sep 2013 08:09 pm

      Unless ARB has been painted with half the picture again by the leadership. Like what they did to Foong.

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      • Admin

        24 Sep 2013 10:09 am

        Zechariah 5:3-4 He told me, "This book is the verdict going out worldwide against thieves and liars. The first half of the book disposes of everyone who steals; the second half takes care of everyone who lies. ....

        Foong and the rest of the witnesses if they lie in court, god will deal with them.
        Common trait from Foong and Wahju. I am elder of the church. I preach...

    • The truth of the matter

      23 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      Someone wrote in CHC Confessions : “Of course Pastor AR Bernard won’t support CEH, because he is the one giving the godly confirmation on Sun Crossover Project…”

      How true and no wonder!

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    • Game over

      24 Sep 2013 12:09 am

      Looks like it’s game over for CHC… Definitely not stepping back in unless God moves.. oops, i am suppose to use my common sense right..
      I guess it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is something really wrong with the crossover n etc..
      I doubt that the DPP would charge 6 individuals without any concrete evidence, than again, maybe 1,2,3 of these 6 could be truly innocent, i won’t know, neither will you.
      But seriously, am disgusted with the way how ARB handled this, and i thought this meeting with CEH was suppose to be confidential? Not everyone has a pulpit to voice out their concerns..ARB, it doesn’t matter what i type or etc, God sees every single thing you say or do.. as far as it’s concerned.. the blood of the CHC members are on your hands now..

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      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 11:09 am

        Dear Game Over,
        I know 1 witness from BBG and 2 witnesses from CHC attended the meeting with A.R. Bernard. We shall see...

    • Your friend.

      24 Sep 2013 01:09 am

      Chew,
      I am sadden by this blog and felt strongly that this is causing split in the entire body. Let the judge have the final say and not cause more harm to the body of Christ. We are one body and let’s stay united for a common cause that is to love God wholeheartedly and people fervently. Pls close this blog if u may. Thanks.

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      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 11:09 am

        Dear Friend,
        Eng Han is not a malice person.

        Galatians 1:10-12
        Do you think I speak this strongly in order to manipulate crowds? Or curry favor with God? Or get popular applause? If my goal was popularity, I wouldn’t bother being Christ’s slave. Know this—I am most emphatic here, friends—this great Message I delivered to you is not mere human optimism.

    • Your friend.

      24 Sep 2013 01:09 am

      Remember God hates murmurers. Lets wait for final verdict and who are we to judge!

      Reply
      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 12:09 pm

        Dear friend,
        murmurers web definitions
        (murmurer) mutterer: a person who speaks softly and indistinctly

        BLOG web definitions
        A personal website or web page on which an individual records opinions,

        Self-righteous definitions
        having or characterized by a certainty, esp. an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior.

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        A.R Bernard allowed Eng Han to announce to people about the meeting. If the content of the meeting is confidential he should at least keep quiet don’t say anything on the stage.

        What I have learned from A.R Bernard and in CHC? Wrongdoer gets encouraged and protected by love.

    • Your friend.

      24 Sep 2013 01:09 am

      Are we edifying God by allowing this to happen? If you really believe in God, will God allows this to happen? Have faith that God anointing. Remember David also respected king Saul cos he is the appointed one. Lets trust in God’s chosen one and let the verdict speaks the truth. Pls stop all these cos it’s destroying the christian faith in Singapore. Pls stop this blog!

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      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 12:09 pm

        Dear friend,

        My individual records opinions (my blog) is not edifying God?
        Twisted facts or half truth city news are edifying God?
        Who is destroying the Christian Faith in Singapore? The CHRISTIAN thieves, Mr. I dunno or my blog?

        Proverbs 3:5 says “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.”

    • Enough

      24 Sep 2013 02:09 am

      Eng Han,

      We admire your attempt for reconciliation, though it failed at ARB.
      Without the truth of that meeting out, the people left within City Harvest will continue to believe in Pastor Kong and Sun’s integrity.

      You have to present to us everything you know about the evil pairs, without any other agenda but one sole purpose of letting us know the truth. Convince us with proofs, solid and irrefutable ones. Save the ones left behind, those who continue to eat the lies and half truths preached behind the pulpit.

      This is a sign for you. Save the City Harvest left Behind.

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      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 12:09 pm

        Dear Enough,

        You can try to approach your CHC board, one of the witness is from the church board. He should know the content of the meeting. I think he will tell you is confidential. Guess you have to be patient.

        If you choose to believe in Pastor Kong and Sun’s integrity this is your freedom of will to make choices.

        Based on my relationship with Eng Han, I understand that he did not force his leaders or BBG members to believe his side of the stories. We don’t have to see proofs to understand who is speaking the truth. If you love CHC please be an asset to your church. I quoted what A.R. Bernard said: “ If you have a problem with the church and its leadership, your continued attendance becomes a testimony to your stupidity. ”

    • curious

      24 Sep 2013 08:09 am

      Hey. I’m don’t get it – this entry seems to undercut Eng Han as he asked for the meeting, citing his respect for Dr ARB, not the other way round. So was he wrong?

      Does Eng Han endorse this post as his position on the outcome of the meeting? I think that’s impt. Because if not, this post is hardly constructive.

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      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 12:09 pm

        Curious,

        This is my BLOG why I need Eng Han to endorse? He just want to be quiet.

    • Time to speak, Time to be quiet

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 am

      Dear My Friend
      God is sovereign, God is in charge. Let the vengeance be from the Lord.
      Do not touch God’s anointed one and let’s not cast the first stone and many more words from the Lord to hold our peace and be still while we wait…..

      Yet, I come to a point where I felt all these verses were exploited time and over again, especially by our leaders, elders and pastors to cage us in, shutting our minds from truth and justice. I used to submit and obey and trust but on hindsight, it only made the situation worse.

      There has to come a time where we need the courage and the will to stand up and spread the truth. Just like Luthur Martin and all the “rebellious equals” to do what they did, refusing to submit to the spiritual authorities or bullies of their time.

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    • Your friend.

      24 Sep 2013 11:09 am

      Aren’t we gossiping now under the name of Jesus. I am asking that we use this blog to spread the good news and not to pass judgement or remarks on the things yet to be seen. It is the duty of prosecutors to establish the case and not us. Let the lawyers do the work. Rem if u have an issue with that person, u go to that person. Lets use this blog wisely to edify the kingdom and not to cause split. Gossiping = losing credibility. I believe when eng Han posted this, he had full respect of ARB. So lets abide by his advice. Just be at peace.

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      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 12:09 pm

        Gossip web definitions casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.

        Which part of my blog is not true?

        Thank you for your suggestion about using this blog to spread the good news.

    • Your friend.

      24 Sep 2013 12:09 pm

      Chew

      I respect u a lot cos I knew your love towards his words and your years of ministry. No doubt but I really wish you just have to say what u knew and let God do the final judgement. If pastor kong needs chastening, God will do it. Lets trust on God and move on to share more positive testimonies using this awesome blog. Why not share the goodness of God in our lives to encourage each other? I love this blog and hope we can use this to spread the good news and bring joy to our fellow bros and sisters. Agape. In god unconditional love.

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    • curious

      24 Sep 2013 01:09 pm

      Well, admin, relax.
      Sure – it’s YOUR blog (capitalize the right words… Oh yes, sorry, it’s your blog).

      Since Eng Han is closely associated with this blog, I thought it might not be wise to speak on his behalf especially since the writer of the post said Eng Han wanted to hold his peace – it might give the wrong impression of his tacit endorsement of the writer’s position, which might be very different from what Eng Han intended. And since Eng Han wants to ‘be quiet’ as you put it, he is not at liberty to clarify. Not helpful.

      Haha. Just sayin.

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      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 01:09 pm

        Curious,
        No choice, people wrote to me and I have to say something about it.
        You exercise your own discernment. I am sorry if this is not helpful to you.

    • Your Friend Too

      24 Sep 2013 01:09 pm

      I feel that since this is MrsLight blog, let her have the free will to express her own opinion. Afterall, she is right to advise us to use our own discernment.
      So, if Holy Spirit wants you to be quiet and submit, so be at peace and trust The Lord. If He wants you to speak out, do so with courage and commitment and not let the opinions of others affect you. Each one of us have our own role to play in the big plan of God.

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    • Curious

      24 Sep 2013 01:09 pm

      Admin, no choice? Lol.
      Not helpful to Eng Han, I meant, since he is not at liberty to clarify. Must use discernment, ok?

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      • Admin

        24 Sep 2013 02:09 pm

        Curious,
        I just wanted to make your day, by saying no choice. You laughed. (Please delete what I just said, this is a court joke!)
        The truth is I made a decision to write this page. I feel that accountability is to god and also to people. You can ask people to wait, I can also ask people to discern too.
        Have a blessed day!

    • Admin

      24 Sep 2013 02:09 pm

      Dear friends,
      I am closing my blog comment soon. Thank you for your support.

      Reply
    • Curious

      24 Sep 2013 02:09 pm

      Omg! I amaze myself at my discernment. Your joke is… is… SO deep and profound I nearly didnt get it! Good job.

      Hope this makes your day too :)

      We all need a laugh, don’t we? Lol.

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    • Your Friend Too

      24 Sep 2013 03:09 pm

      Laugh and learn to be merry. Life is tough enough already. Joke or comic, in church or out of it, we learn to take it easy.
      Some will shout for truth and justice, some will submit to spiritual authority. Each to their own level of maturity.
      But I am one for truth and no conspiracy.
      Whichever way, God will reveal his sovereignty.
      Still, i want to Thank you, Eng Han for your bravery.

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    • AJ

      24 Sep 2013 03:09 pm

      Hi Mrs Light,

      I admire your ability to create suspense, disunity and cause discord in the body of Christ. Keep doing it and I believe your agenda to step on and destroy the church and the pastors will be fufilled. I don’t think you are a christian yourself right? Cos of the way you celebrate bad news and ‘bones in the eggs’.

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      • Disunity?

        24 Sep 2013 04:09 pm

        Dear AJ
        I cannot agree with you. Disunity and discord had already been sown by lies and deception. No point clinging onto the false appearance of hope and unity. Anything that is not sown on truth is going to crack up sooner or later.
        The church and it's people and the body of Christ had already been destroyed by the very people we are supposed to trust and honor. Better let truth and justice cleanse it all together before the body of Christ be rebuild again.
        That is why in Isaiah 58, we are told to:
        "Shout! A full-throated shout! Hold nothing back—a trumpet-blast shout! Tell my people what's wrong with their lives, face my family Jacob with their sins! They're busy, busy, busy at worship, and love studying all about me. To all appearances they're a nation of right-living people— law-abiding, God-honoring. They ask me, 'What's the right thing to do?' and love having me on their side. But they also complain, 'Why do we fast and you don't look our way? Why do we humble ourselves and you don't even notice?' "Well, here's why: "The bottom line on your 'fast days' is profit. You drive your employees much too hard. You fast, but at the same time you bicker and fight. You fast, but you swing a mean fist. The kind of fasting you do won't get your prayers off the ground. Do you think this is the kind of fast day I'm after: a day to show off humility? To put on a pious long face and parade around solemnly in black? Do you call that fasting, a fast day that I, God, would like? "If you get rid of unfair practices, quit blaming victims, quit gossiping about other people's sins, If you are generous with the hungry and start giving yourselves to the down-and-out, Your lives will begin to glow in the darkness, your shadowed lives will be bathed in sunlight. I will always show you where to go. I'll give you a full life in the emptiest of places— firm muscles, strong bones. You'll be like a well-watered garden, a gurgling spring that never runs dry. You'll use the old rubble of past lives to build anew, rebuild the foundations from out of your past. You'll be known as those who can fix anything, restore old ruins, rebuild and renovate, make the community livable again. (Isaiah 58:1-5, 10-12 MSG)

      • admin

        24 Sep 2013 05:09 pm

        Dear AJ,
        I do not want to stoop so low as to get into a war of words with you. The comment that you made “I don’t think you are a christian yourself right? Cos of the way you celebrate bad news and ‘bones in the eggs’.” is very insensitive to freethinkers and other religions.

    • Shepherd

      24 Sep 2013 03:09 pm

      Dear Eng Han,

      Thank you for taking the time to speak to Dr. Bernard. Thank you for speaking up and saying what many ex-city harvesters are keeping in their hearts. It was really unfortunate that nothing has really changed.

      We can only hope that justice is served and that God is indeed real. The only thing left is for you to speak the truth in court.

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    • Truth

      24 Sep 2013 08:09 pm

      I like this Blog! This is a great Blog! Thank you for your time sharing. Well @Curious, if you have a problem, RELAX and GO to the person that you have a problem with. Please do not tarnish the beautiful Blog here.

      @AJ, before you give your pathetic opinions to the blog, i suggest you read it once over again to clear up some misunderstandings. What do true facts have to do with being a Christian?

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    • Curious

      24 Sep 2013 08:09 pm

      Truth… My dear Truth.

      Why react so strongly? Sensitive I see. Lol.
      I’m RELAXED and having a great day.

      You probably don’t read too well. With whom do I have a problem?

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    • Tricia

      24 Sep 2013 09:09 pm

      Chua Tricia SINCE THIS IS CHC CONFESSIONS WHY NOT LET’S FIND OUT THE WILL OF GOD HERE?

      GOD’S WILL:

      1. GOD WILL NOT SEPARATE A COUPLE TO BUILD HIS KINGDOM, WHY? LEARN ABOUT SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE (2 BECOME 1) AND THE INSTITUITION OF MARRIAGE.
      (READ GENESIS CHAPTER 2, FIRST AND SECOND BOOK OF CORINTHIANS)

      -ANS: SO WHEN PK SAID: GOD SEPARATED US AND SENT SUN TO THE US…???

      2. GOD WILL NOT GET YOU TO STEP DOWN FROM YOUR MINISTRY IF YOU ARE DOING HIS WORK.

      -ANS: PK OFFERED TO STEP DOWN BECAUSE OF CROSSOVER PROJECT? WHY??

      3. GOD WILL: THERE IS NO CROSSOVER PROJECT IN THE ENTIRE BOOK OF BIBLE!!! WHY?

      -ANS: “YOU ARE IN THIS WORLD”- SO JUST SIMPLY SHINE FOR JESUS IN YOUR OWN WORLD (IN YOUR “EXISITING” CAREER, IN YOUR “EXISITING” FAMILY LIFE, IN YOUR MARRIAGE, IN YOUR WAYS OF DOING THINGS…YOU DON’T NEED TO “CROSSOVER” TO WIN CONVERTS)…

      JESUS WAS NEVER AN ENTERTAINER, MAGICIAN, SINGER OR CLOWN IN THE CIRCUS TO ATTRACT POTENTIAL BELIEVERS OR RECRUIT NEW CONVERTS, ONCE YOU WERE BROUGHT INTO THIS WORLD BY GOD, JUST SIMPLY LIVE A SPIRITUAL LIFE TO SHINES FOR HIM…NON-BELIEVERS WILL KNOW IT AND GRADUALLY COME TO EXPERIENCE THE LOVE OF JESUS THROUGH YOU. DON’T PLAN FOR GOD, PLS…ALLOW GOD TO PLAN FOR YOU.

      STAY SPIRITUAL IN YOUR INDUSTRY, NO NEED TO CROSSOVER TO OTHER INDUSTRY TO SHINE FOR JESUS….. ONCE AGAIN, NO SUCH THING AS CROSSOVER PROJECT IN THE BIBLE. TOILET CLEANERS CAN ALSO SHINE FOR JESUS!

      4. GOD WILL: GOD WILL IS ALWAYS TRANSPARENT!
      NO HIDING, NO LYING…

      SO Dr AR BERNARD FOrgot the Common Sense for something very common for a common marriage and a Common Christian Couple…

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    • Sabrina

      24 Sep 2013 09:09 pm

      My mum in law who still attend church and loves the church has been updating me about the latest development . She knew I am extremely disappointed with the church leadership and couldn’t be more shattered by the way the leader pointing finger all around and betray Eng Han in such a rude way. She understand my anguish and therefore she brought back a copy of City News Weekly, openly discussed with me what is the difference between “worldly news” and the carefully packaged church version. Thanks God she has enough wisdom to discern what is true and what is covered-up, finally.

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    • Sabrina

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      Regarding the part whereby Dr AR Bernard openly asked PK and his wife about the mistake that they make, my mum in law who has been supporting them so much can tell…..they are something wrong somewhere and no way Dr AR Bernard ” don’t know anything”. Yet, there is no sign of repentant!

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    • Sabrina

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      It is just a matter of time, after I left, my children left, ….my mum in law will leave. If the elderly who has been faithful, kind and generous with people around her lose her patience, I don’t know how many more members can still stay put there to “watch the development” without any feeling.

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    • Sabrina

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      On the City News Weekly dated 21-22/Sept, “ironically” the centre-page were so skillfully allocated for the very project that land CHC into great mess. Hello, don’t take us like the most foolish bunch of people in Singapore. The editor can quote as many verse in the bible as possible to justify the intention of God and produced figure that we never be able to verify on the “soul saved”. I discovered what these 2 pages wrote is an insult to the IQ of current church members simply because the content is completely different from what the interviews took place elsewhere…..quoted in South China Morning Post dated 3 April 2012, on para 7>.” This album was a two-year process for me,’ says Ho, betraying a little nervousness. ‘I don’t want to think of it as a crossover album. I want to be part of the industry.’

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    • Sabrina

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      After the recent shocking revelation by the prosecutor on the famous verse by PK ” plan as if the sky is the limit”, don’t expect us to stay calm because we have been taken an easy ride by the person who placed her personal success above everything. Next from South China Morning Post dated 3 April 2012, on para 8 > “Unlike other aspiring singers from abroad who hope to make it in the US, Ho has the means, resources and contacts to hop over the Pacific and base herself there while waiting for success to happen.” What does it tell us?

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    • Sabrina

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      Finally, did the latest City News Weekly dare to utter a single word on what” China Wine “and “Kill Bill ” trying to “preach”? was it the case of…..die die ensure “her” personal success first, regardless the message , the quality, the theme of the album? Just pour in lots and lots of money, even BF can be diverted temporary without the knowledge of church members also acceptable?

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    • Sabrina

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      To be frank, I am not interested in the content of discussion between Dr AR Bernard and any individual accused, including Eng Han. Not because I don’t respect or care about him anymore, but I really think that if the leader PK displayed such an irresponsible act in the worldly court and shown no sign of repentant, that’s it for CHC. There is nothing more that I can hope for except fervent prayer to my dear Jesus Christ. First step, I need to be set free…..I am still in the process of “ditching” my anger, my grieve, my distrust to almost everything surround me. ….

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    • Here’s my Pulpit

      24 Sep 2013 10:09 pm

      Sabrina, I feel your pain and betrayal too. But I believe God is in charge. Let us just be patient for a little while more.

      Thank you Mrs Light for this blog. Although we don’t have the pulpit, we have this channel to voice our grievances and share our side of story.

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