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    Chew Eng Han’s response to CHC’s statement

    • 22 June 2013

    In response to CHC’s Board’s response to my Personal Statement on my departure from CHC, the following are my replies:

    1. Firstly I refer to the para which states:

    “While we do not understand the reasons for his current sentiments, we wish nothing but the best for Eng Han and his family, and thank him for all his contributions.”

    My query to the Board is whether they have been made aware of a four and a half hour meeting between Pastor Kong, Sun, myself and my wife? Are they also aware of some of the issues which I raised and whether there were sincere corrective actions taken since that meeting 3 months ago?

    2. Secondly I refer to the para which states:

    “The Board knows and believes that the senior leadership has always walked in integrity, adhering to Biblical principles through the leading of the Holy Spirit. We maintain our full confidence in the leadership.”

    My query is how many of the board members made a conscious effort to read the COC Inquiry Report which was made accessible to them? And if they did, was then a diligent internal inquiry held in-house, to determine if there was any wrongdoing on the part of the alleged wrongdoers? Has the board done an inquiry on the issues named by COC, and satisfied itself fully that there has been no compromise of integrity? If the board has not done so, it cannot state that it knows and believes in the integrity of the senior leadership.

    3. The board is probably unaware of many other issues, especially those on the pastoral angle, in terms of the manner of conduct of some of their pastors and senior leaders.  Without such information, it is not equipped to issue a board statement of confidence.

    The church statement is a mere attempt to unite the church with a spiritual tone, but lacks substance in dealing with the real issues of truth and integrity.

    Dated 22 June 2013

    358 Comments

    • Anonymous

      22 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Way to go, Eng Han

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    • Appreciative

      22 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Thanks Eng Han, please help the members of the church see the true appearance of their senior leaders, who put on an act every weekend.

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    • Truth

      22 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Eng Han. I hope you will speak the truth… I know you have nothing against the church as an entity but is certain leaders and this people needs to be replaced soon. Eng Han I hope you can point this people out

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    • Chew Eng Han

      22 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Dear Truth,
      I will.

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    • Jarius

      22 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Bro Chew

      Hope you doing well..

      Jarius

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    • Truthfulness

      22 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Eng Han. Only you know what is going on in suntec deal and the whole crossover project. I hope that you will point out all the culprits in this crossover scheme. Am I right to say that this whole thing helps pastor kong and sun for the their personal gain and not what it seems to be?

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    • Susan

      22 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Hi EH,
      God is with you ! You n yr Family name always in our Prayer.

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    • Esther Lai

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      EH,
      Thanks for being bold n courageous to face the adversity. It’s high time the can of worms should be opened up …

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    • Prayerwarrior

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Will be praying for the spirit of discernment to be upon our members!always praying for you!

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    • John Goh

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Please provide more details. As a member of the church we deserve to know the truth.

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Clearly, the Board should have exercised a bit more independence and due diligence before releasing their statement as a pure counter-measure. Once again, things are swept under the carpet with a stroke of self-professed biblical righteousness instead of using the opportunity to discuss the heart of the matter as mature believers. Another wasted opportunity. How many more do you need?

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    • jess

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Yes we have long been misled by church.

      Please shed sm truth and light.

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    • Hui Ming

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Too much “smoke” & “haze”, it’s about time for the worms to have some fresh air!

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    • John Goh

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Dear Eng Han,

      The reL victims in all of this have been the members of chc. We have been asked to believe in a persons integrity without even a story to believe in. Without details your accusations are merely causing more confusion and uncertainty. Please provide basis to your claims.

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    • Puzzled

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Dear Brother Eng Han,
      Please provide some details. We are getting more confused now. Coz in CHC I genuniely experienced God’s glory, His Presence, blessings, good fellowship, miracles & spiritual food which I don’t experience as much in my previous churches.
      I know that no church or leader is perfect either. But your blog disturbs me. I wish you can shed some light if indeed it is true. But, nonetheless, our Lord Jesus is the ultimate Judge who will reveal all things at His perfect time. Lastly, I wish the best for you & all your loved ones. I believe God remembers all the sacrifices that you have made too. We are all still one body regardless which church we belong or where we go.

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      For now, dear members, allow Eng Han to stay silent, as there is a case going on. He made his stand and position clear. We would have all preferred that clarity about what went wrong was made between us, members, but we were deprived of that opportunity as the Board itself doesn’t seem to have a clue or care to much about establishing the truth as its top priority. Business as usual. Is it?. Yesterday a group of us were fighting to defend the integrity of the leaders. Then, we stopped. Why? Simply because we stopped believing in it. Mistakes are made but response to a mistake is often more important than the mistake itself. And we just reconcile what we hear from the pulpit and the response we saw on the ground.

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Just cannot reconcile

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    • Prayerwarrior

      22 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      “Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place”- Ephesians 6:14

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    • admin

      22 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

      Dear All,
      I think Mr Chew could not comment on the crossover as it will affect the outcome of the court case.

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    • Peter Black Lim

      22 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      Bro Eng Han
      I trusted you

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    • Youth with a brain

      22 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      The leadership keep on saying on stage “I maintain my integrity” Everything will be cleared soon . That’s is all they can said. Money channel to Chckl as mission fund then channel to US Sun Ho’s music career . This is not dishonesty but call integrity ? I clap hands for you

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    • Anonymous

      22 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      People honestly what you see a person preaching on the stage may not be what he or she is really are in real life . I know of a pastor who has a small congregation who preached strongly about God’s love & prosperity gospel

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    • Tony

      22 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      People honestly what you see a person preaching on the stage may not be what he or she is really are in real life . I know of a pastor who has a small congregation in Singapore who preached strongly about God’s love & prosperity message but Monday to Friday in the office abused his staff verbally . God use them to just be His mouthpiece to preach even though he can use donkey also .

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    • Henry

      22 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      Chew,
      It is always good to be on the side of caution when you make response to CHC Statement. Theurtext be risk of court of contempt if you comment publicly on matters relating to the accused who are still under the examination of ongoing trial. Indeed it is always very sensitive for you to comment anything of which you are one of the accused.

      I seriously do not wish in your repentance you run foul of another law or other unwarranted legal troubles. You should probably let your defence lawyer to screen your response first before publishing.

      Please be patient as patience is a divine gift from God also & let the thorough truth be heard in next court hearing. Don’t fall into any temptation to response impromptu if challenged by public or any other.

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    • Ryan

      22 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      Yes agreed with Henry, hold your peace Mr Chew, in Aug you can tell the truth in court.

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    • Henry

      22 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      My typo error in my earlier comment – 2nd sentence – There may be risk of running into court of contempt if you comment publicly on matters relating to the accused who are still under the examination of ongoing trial.

      Lastly, why let the other party able to plan or prepare their court statements well to counter your online claims of any wrongdoing? For this particular instance, silence is golden now till the next court hearing & it is not necessary consensual to any party’s accusation.

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    • JJ Linn

      22 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      Why don’t we just wait for the trial to unfold? If God indeed is the Judge and has the final say, why interfere with all sorts of comments and remarks?

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    • X

      22 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      How come CEH’s personal response and statement is posted on this blog?

      Is this CEH’s blog?

      Apparently the “about us” doesnt really give insights about who are the blog owners.

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    • FT

      22 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      Let us offer this brave brother in Christ & his family our prayers and blessings. As the first goose to break the wind (making way for the other accused to follow), he faces greatest resistance. Merci.

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    • Frankie Lee

      22 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      Moses at old age,had old wives,still married a young girl,seems terrible to my analysis and perception,and surprisingly God let leprosies cleave onto Miriam as punishments,when her actions appear right.

      King David had all rationales and reasons to kill King Saul,even the nut who killed David’s enemy Saul,yet he was killed,for David calls Saul,the Lord’s anointed.Strange events,isn’t it?

      This is 101 Spiritual Authority.I doubted even AR Bernard or any of our leaders understood such ways of the Lord.

      Kong Hee has final say over all issues.Period.

      The Church is a Spiritual entity,the Lord is the Shepherd,and Kong Hee only receive directions from God,and always empower to make judgment calls,By denying such under-shepherd roles and duties,and his final-say,that would be secular mentality,just another human organisations.

      Whether the Board was aware or not,the Spirit knows,and by mere trust of the leadership,that is the only thing required of sheep.or Board.

      Since Kong had thrashed out many hours with Chew,it again spoke of Chew’s defects,casting doubts on the competence and Faith of the Board where they had on the leaders.

      Were you aware that the Lord is guiding them,too?

      I am also aware your rebukes against them,could be facts,and not lies.

      U:The church statement is a mere attempt to unite the church with a spiritual tone, but lacks substance in dealing with the real issues of truth and integrity.

      Me: Since it is Spiritual Tone,and the Church operate on that basis primarily,that is credits,and not a minus-sign.Moreover,incompetence or unable to proper chastise those failed investigation Team on what had transpired among errant Pastors,never equate to lack of integrity.

      If City Harvest had 50 members,that would reasonable to assume.By not giving leadership the benefits of doubts and expect them to right every wrongs,having NSA Surveillance over every matters,it sound the expectations is Fancifuls.

      By saying Kong Hee intentionally(of course you didn’t state that) let Crooks to ruin the proper order of the Church,he would be seen as dumb,and poor standard.

      If Kong Hee were to administrate all those concerns of yours,most likely he could not possibly to prepare one sermon at all weekly,do many other works where he prioritised,and deem more serious.

      If you want independence of BRC,no coverings from CHC,it is wholesome and nothing wrong,and since they relent it,what’s the real problems?People come and go,seek to do the works of God independenly,had their way of doing their own ideas and Faith and vision,it is to be applauded-for liberty is granted for all to be self sufficient,and leaving the Church is not betrayals,but for better Vision individually.

      Personal grievances and perceptions on supposing they do wrong,must be place aside,for the Spiritual Tone always outweigh the carnals.

      Kong Hee can be chastise by God if he did wrong,for God is in charge over him,and also could be corrected by Advisors whom he submits,say,Sun Ho, AR Bernard,Cho or Phil Pringles.

      What you did,the bottomline is-sabotaging,despite your rationales is reasonable,or having greater Moral Authority over them because you ARE MORE righteous than them all,more sharp in your Judgments,more spiritual.

      Bottomline is also-disunity in times of crisis.Adds burden to another issues about you personally.

      You are ruining the peace of the Church by your good and truthful accusations of their incompetence and faults.

      You are also adding bad=blood and animosities,instead of AVOIDING IT,and you manage to have staunch supporters,also having bad blood.

      These kinds of issue,we should leave it to God,pray and think through before any greater harm comes upon all.

      Jesus had one great commandment for us all,why disobey?Love one another.

      If you are being unjustly treated,as Paul said;accept to be defrauded,be the victims,and graciously absorbed the hurts.

      This is Spiritual man,and one who loves Jesus sheep,will never intend to disturb it,or inadvertently trying to ruin it.

      How how to tell people to love God and others,when the hearts had gone bitter and callous,and one was treated unfairly?Jesus words stands,Love one another,you are to be overcomers,get out of the Animosities and the Bad Blood.

      In Christ,love always.

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    • Tshih Ming

      22 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      Eng Han, aint nobody got time fo this!

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      • lighthouse

        22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

        Ps Chong Tshih Ming

        Are you so busy that you don’t have time to help your brother Eng Han with this?

        You secretly went to another church and try to look for a job as a pastor didn’t you?

        You were in serious debt and yourself and Kong bail you out isn’t it?

        Now you have no time for this… you are not fit to be a Pastor and hopefully you get stucked in CHC forever

    • Huhgy

      22 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      JJ Lavine,
      I am confused,
      “Allow Eng Han to remain silient”?
      Hasn’t him been speaking alot?
      It is wise to speak nothing or speak complete but not half way in these manner causing confusion.
      Huhgy

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    • Vonne

      22 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Thanks for standing up for the truth . Is definitely not easy but I believe God’s strength wlll be with u and your family . Hope that the other rest will wake up to their truth soon . Take care

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    • Tommy

      22 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Eng Han, I do not know you personally. I have been in church for 23 years. Stand for truth, it is now or never. May God’s peace be with you & your family.

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    • Kelvin

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Dear brother in Christ, it must have been a very trying time. Whichever the outcome may be, I pray that God will grant you the strength and tenacity to brave through the storm. At the end of the day, you are solely accountable to God and not to any pastor. We trust that in His time, you will do the right thing for Abba father in heaven and his children.

      - a 28 year old.

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    • PL

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      @Tshih Ming – shut up

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    • lighthouse

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Ps Chong Tsih Ming

      Are you so busy that you don’t have time to help your brother Eng Han with this?

      You secretly went to another church and try to look for a job as a pastor didn’t you?

      You were in serious debt yourself and Kong bail you out isn’t it?

      Now you have no time for this… you are not fit to be a Pastor and hopefully you get stucked in CHC forever

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    • K

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Dear Eng Han,

      Truth… Half truth or whole truth… Please don’t create confusion when you are not able to speak forth the whole truth… You are also not able to substantiate your statements as well…

      To the BBG… You said you want to follow the truth… But what is the truth? Do you know? Words are being spoken through the mouths of man…. Don’t be mislead by what is termed as “truth”…

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Hughy, of course, it is a time of confusion, just like any transition time is. I don’t believe confusion is Eng Han’s intention or a strategic part of his defense. From the beginning of the case, he is tentatively portrayed (according to media report and at least the first leg of the trial) as the mastermind of a great scheme. Now he is saying “I don’t agree with CHC on integrity stand and I am stepping out”. Let’s keep it there for now because really, the parties have very different views and opinions. Each one standing on their own version and interpretation of truth and integrity. Ultimately the judge will decide, and that’s for me a critical issue as as Christians we should have been able to deal with any possible issue from the very beginning. I don’t know what started it all and why but what I know is that we are in a mess and we didn’t exercise the wisdom and courage to deal with it from the beginning. Sin of omission.
      Now, what do we do?

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    • Shakti

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Eng Han

      Thanks for standing up for the truth. Its difficult for an individual speak out against a huge organisation like CHC with its own PR department and its own newpaper which publish their own propoganda for their trusting and blinded sheep. Some would liken it to a cult .. when you leave they will do their best to make your life a misery just because you are no longer blinded by them. Like the case of Roland Poon a few years back. Stay strong; don’t let them force you to bow down to them!

      I too was a member many years ago and was from one of the same CG you were in during the early days but have left many years ago. Am now a Hindu and much happier this way. My personal decision was not influenced by the case against the church right now, but it makes me wonder how many people totally turn away from God due to the behaviour of KH n gang?

      I was always sceptical of their so-called truths about SH career but had never outwardly said it out. I know the way the church works – if you don’t follow their ideas 100% they will make you an outcast, send you for counselling or label you as “difficult” or “rebellious”. They will demote you or downgrade your membership. They like their members to be fully obediant to the leaders .. not allowed to think for themself or have ideas different from KH idea. Boy am I glad I’m out of all this!

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    • X

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      I agree with Frankie Lee.

      Suddenly the accused with the most charges on him is now more righteous than KH. Suspicious leh.

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    • Perth Thong

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Tshih Ming, why you tried to influence others that many are not interested in Eng Han’s declaration and denied his courage to reveal the truth? Church members have been waiting eagerly for the senior pastor to tell his side of story…but why the impression given to the general public is nothing more than statements that fraught with inconsistencies from the church leaders?

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    • Ronald Poon’s friend

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      @Shakti,
      it is ironic. The person that led the campaign to whack Ronald Poon was none other than Mr Chew himself. Now Mr Chew is getting the same treatment that he dished out to those “disobedient” pastors/ZSs/CGLs/Leaders/members.
      What goes around does come around, doesn’t it?

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    • Perth Thong

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      X, please get your facts right before inserting the word called “suddenly” .

      If you are a school children, I can see why you made such comment because obviously you do not know in any big organisation such as CHC,without the instruction of the head( whether verbal or via email), huge funds can’t be mobilised?

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    • Lim

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Hi Eng Han,

      Just want to let you know even though I was in CHC for 1 year plus and left after that for some reason (all these happen more than a decade ago). I left cos I tried to hide from my leaders about my relationship. (I was then a teenager). Now I know their reason for asking me not to go into a relationship at a young age. It was for my own good and the importance to keep our focus on God at young age. Even though I left church, I never once said anything bad about CHurch or pastor and whoever speak bad about CHC or pastor I would speak up and defend them.

      Few years a go I went back to CHC during the period when the case started. Last year I finally get to know better about the case and seen who were the 6 being charge. Seriously, when I saw your picture in the newspaper (you were one of those I didn’t know you), I had a discerning feeling that something about you is not that right. HOwever, I felt bad having that feeling because you are one of the senior leaders and board in church therefore I did not share with anybody about that.

      After yesterday, reading this blog, I was like I felt my feeling back then were right. It may be a time of pressure for you and your family. However, in all years in my previous church seeing people leave just like that, they know they are wrong (or probably they won’t know) but they are always blaming the church, pastors or leaders.

      I may not know the real reason why you leave, but it could be the pressure you are facing now regarding this case. HOwever, I hope you are not doing this just to save yourself and turn yourself against CHC and the other 5.

      Since reading so many posts that your are a great leader and there were people who decide to follow you I have my doubt. If you were really a great leader, you will not stumble new christians and CHC members. You could have done it in a biblical way. You seem not to respect the relationship you had with the church for 17 years. What you have written are just showing that you are a victim and you keep showing that the church did you wrong.

      A true leader will not act this way, but instead if you felt the church was wrong you should have prayed to God or consult someone higher in leadership than pastor rather than work in your own ways and stumble people and cause disunity.

      If you felt the CHC members were following the wrong leaders shouldn’t you pray about it. Cos the bible say when people are seeking the truth and only true God, God will reveal to them and you not have to keep defending yourself and speak bad about church.

      Therefore, though I am not a person who know the Bible in and out however, I will stand with CHC and so what if what they did was wrong, the intention you know is not bad. Everyone of us human being will do mistakes no one is perfect. What is important is since we are with church, we are a family, we stick as a family. if a family member does wrong, we forgive and move on and do what is correct.

      Most disappointing is seeing a leader bringing disunity in church and how can people still say you are a good leader?????

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    • Tshih Ming

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      @lighthouse its Reverend “CHoong” to you. 2 “O”s ok?
      @PL You need to expand your vocabulary to that beyond a five year old’s.

      Troll level 90000 activated

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      • lighthouse

        22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        Yes Irrelevant Choong, you should have been suspended longer as a pastor, getting into debts and forever late when meeting members... You are a disgrace

      • lighthouse

        22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        btw when you walk in the haze please don't trip over your gout and spill your fats on the floor while mopping the floor with your hair.. and please don't let me hear you finding employment outside again :) hypocrite hippo

    • Perth Thong

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Frankie Lee, are you absolutely sure Pastor Kong only receive his instructions from God?and by the way, which God that you are talking about? Next, why you stated that Kong Hee has final say over ALL issues? do you think all church goers has no rights to doubt a person who was evasive and changes his positions too often without acceptable explanation?

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    • John Goh

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Dear Eng Han,

      Without basis your accusations are equivalent to slander. Why should anyone choose to believe you over anyone else? If you are prepared to accuse please be prepared to back it up. Do not be a coward and hide behind excuses like the court case. If you are indeed a defender of the truth then please let it be known!

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      To Ronald Poon’s friend,
      Indeed. Which leads me to two questions: 1) did Eng Han “whack” in full knowledge then or with a partial knowledge? 2) if he was systematically called to arrange stuff with partial knowledge sold to him as entire truth and that he finally just came to realize it, wouldn’t he be precisely trying to do what your friend Roland tried to do and call upon what is not right? Better late than never. And I really mean it. Better late than never. There is still a chance.

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    • Tshih Ming

      22 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      we are BBG, the biggest baddest most prestigious pompous sanctimonious (how many of you looked up that word ha!) dont forget richest group in all of CityHarvestdom. DO NOT presume that your information is better than ours, you proletariat classes of OMs and MMs!

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      • lighthouse

        22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        So this is the CHC reverend showing "Choose love"??? Are you wearing bra for your big fat tummy?

    • PL

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      @ Tshih Ming, to the 5 years old I will speak like a 5 years old. It is no point for me to waste my breadth.

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    • Disappointed

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      I agree completely with Lim.
      If you are truly a good leader, you will never push the blame to the church and stumble Christians / CHC members like that and causing strife and disunity.

      I’m sorry, but your actions speak louder than your posts (words).

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      To Lim,
      Very good points. And very natural reaction. The timing indeed seems awkward. But what is the value of a call for unity if it is to hide a sin? Is that the meaning of family? Yes, “love covers a multitude of sin” (-another good scripture taken out of context). Is “Stay united to me! You did nothing wrong but go down for me because I don’t want to get caught” the kind of call for unity that we people really crave for? Somehow, I have my doubt.
      Is is biblical and God’s way? Hmm, let me think…

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    • DGG

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Some people just refuse to admit their fault and continue to fantasise that everything will be over soon. Furthermore, they continue to influence others to believe that victory is near. It just sounds so familiar. Adolf Hitler adopted the same idea ,someone here may like to watch the movie~ Downfall….!

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    • Justice

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Eng Han – i applaud you for taking a very courageous step to stand for truth and integrity.
      @Lim – church unity or disunity is not higher than integrity and walking rightly with God. Just to keep the peace is not a must but obedience to God is.

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    • Helen Lin

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Thanks for sharing and GBU.

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    • Justice

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      @Lim – a sin is a sin. It is not just prayed over and hope God will reveal. He has given us a conscience to know it is sin. So, to gloss over the sin and support the 5 even when they are in the wrong just to keep the peace and unity of church is tantamount to being having not only a spiritual understanding of a child but you are completely void of ethical principles.

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    • toh

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Watever diffetences between chc and eng han, we are all still children of god. To me, who is right or wrong doesn’t matter. Remember, jesus is watching, the real liar is answerable to God.

      Whoever lying, may god have mercy on you, two lying couple dropped dead for lying to the holy spirit.

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    • toh

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      In the beginning, I dislike pastor kong for being tooooooooooooo strict. That was 18 years ago, but now, although I still disagree with chc and pastor kong on some areas, but pastor kong has won my respect over the years, I believe if any tom dick or harry were to take his place, I doubt they can achieve what pastor kong has done.

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    • Lim

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      @ JJ Lavigne and @Justice

      If the case is not over yet… how yet we know is sin? Do you guys fully know the case???? No right? We will know the true story after the 5 make their defenses.

      If God is our powerful God and just why not let HIm handle it rather than rubbing salt?

      If you think integrity is walking right with God… then can you answer if what Eng Han is doing now is walking right with God?

      Has Eng Han ever gave any evidence that he was being forced to do something which he didn’t want?

      Wait till the case is over then we can fully understand and know who is right.

      Even if he feels he has to leave the church cos the church what they are doing is wrong.. Then just leave why must he give his statement with so much hurt and having the victmised spirit??? is that what a true leader is? Then he is leading his people to be easily having victimised spirit.

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    • Perth Thong

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Tshih Ming, how dare you mentioned the word ‘proletariat”? obviously you are trying to put all donors under your feet and classified them according to your badly crafted benchmark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don’t forget who fed you all these years ! You don’t ever think that your senior pastors are the one who ‘BLESSED ‘ you!!!!!!!!! all monies are the hard-earned money from the members!!!!!!!!

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    • Disgust

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      I’ve always looked up to you as a man whom have done great things for the church. My family prays for you and the rest of the team everyday, that all of you may be well prepared for the trial. Your actions only disgust me. We will all see your true colours in the court case in August. Also, you don’t necessarily have to publish your feelings, confession and so called statement on social media. After all, you are just a betrayer. It is times like these where we realise who’s true and who’s not.

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    • Ronald Poon’s friend

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      @JJ Lavigne,
      You speak as if whacking of Ronald Poon was an isolated incident. Sadly to say, that is not the case. There are hit squads within CHC. The members of hit squads are trusted inner circle and their wives. Naughty CGL? Suspension right away. Members taken away and given to other CGs. Key members of the CG counseled intensively by the hit squad. Naughty ZS? Suspension right away. CGs given to other ZSs. Key CGLs counseled intenstively by the hit squad. BTW, CGL, you were slated by us for promotion, but this errant ZS said you were not ready….blah blah blah…Naughty Pastors? Suspension right away. CGs taken away. CGLs divided and conquered. Those pastors with links to external churches… The pastors of these external churches would be told juicy stories about the errant pastor. They will be given choices… this errant pastor or CHC and its donations.
      What partial or full knowledge? He is the INITIATOR!
      Before we say Hallelujah to Repentance…. watch his action and listen to his words first. Of course Christ gives grace, but I believe we should have discernment lest the congregation taken for another ride.

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    • Disgust

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      and even if you want to leave.. by all means leave… why need to write so many statements and make a big hoo ha? how unnecessary

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    • Roland Poon

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Ehhh RONALD POON friend.. you are as fake as your pathetic spelling mistake…

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    • Working adult

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Can someone enlighten me the meaning of “proletariat” that being used just now? Does it mean lowest class of citizen, Marxists or just purely mean working class?

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    • Ronald Poon’s friend

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Ronald Poon. Fake like
      you?

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    • To Ed Ong

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Ed Ong,

      I think your testimony is even more confusing. You ask people to write into COC but none of you actually read the COC report or ask the church to reveal what is in the COC report. You endorse your trust on the church leadership without seeing both sides of the story, claiming City News to be balance. You know there’s a whole lot of people far closer to Kong than you are and they have left too..what makes you think you know everything? Go ask for the COC report from church and read for yourself. Unity without truth is false unity

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    • angel

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Eng Han has lived an upright life in the way he conducts his life towards his family n people he comes in contact with.so lets no all try to be the judge especially those who only heard 1/2 truth. Let God be the vindicator. If there’s nothing uplifting to say, maybe we should keep it to ourselves. :)

      1 Timothy 6:2-10 MSG
      “Whoever is a slave must make the best of it, giving respect to his master so that outsiders don’t blame God and our teaching for his behavior. Slaves with Christian masters all the more so—their masters are really their beloved brothers! These are the things I want you to teach and preach. If you have leaders there who teach otherwise, who refuse the solid words of our Master Jesus and this godly instruction, tag them for what they are: ignorant windbags who infect the air with germs of envy, controversy, bad-mouthing, suspicious rumors. Eventually there’s an epidemic of backstabbing, and truth is but a distant memory. They think religion is a way to make a fast buck. A devout life does bring wealth, but it’s the rich simplicity of being yourself before God. Since we entered the world penniless and will leave it penniless, if we have bread on the table and shoes on our feet, that’s enough. But if it’s only money these leaders are after, they’ll self-destruct in no time. Lust for money brings trouble and nothing but trouble. Going down that path, some lose their footing in the faith completely and live to regret it bitterly ever after.”

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    • Ronald Poon’s friend

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Roanld Pono. Are yuo one of the hti squad too? I am scarde.

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    • Daniel from Malaysia

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      I’m not doubting your righteousness and integrity, but I wonder if you see a bigger picture. Making such statements online is not a wise decision and your motive is questionable. If you don’t agree, you may just leave quietly. Why leave more questions to the public? I don’t see any good purpose in it. Besides, even if you are right, you should love your enemy. Why cast stones into the well as you know of the negative effects that follow along? No matter what, forgive so that you’ll not be bitter. Because none of us should be judging, we need grace and forgiveness. In all you do, think about His name and glory.

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      • AL

        23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

        Well said. Wait for it. JJ Lavigne will reply shortly.

    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      @ Lim, objectively, do you believe nothing went wrong at some point? And it terribly snowballed? I don’t see how how earth such a big case should have started without at least some serious mistakes. The sin came either before the mistakes or after to hide them. Of all people I was one of those proclaiming high and loud that the integrity of our leaders couldn’t be put in doubt. The biggest mistake of them all (our collective sin, to us all believers) is not having protected our leaders from their own ways, as Shakti so well described, on time. This is that collective mistake that allowed the small fox in…

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    • Perth Thong

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Disgust, do you know in any organisation that involved sourcing of funds from general public, precise definition and declaration on the avenue that they channeled the fund to is necessary? Please don’t mix figure with feelings! If the figure doesn’t add up , no matter how one try to sugar-coat it, you still can’t escape. I urge all CHC members to pester their leaders for the COC report and assert their rights to demand for accountability

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    • Perth Thong

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      By the way, Tshih Ming, why you still avoid elaborating what do you mean by “proletariat”? are you trying to assert that you are some kind of elite that nobody can touch? If not, you really owe the LONG-TERM donors some good explanation!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      To Working Adult,
      Proletariat is the name the Marxist-Leninist gave to the mass, the lowest working class in the 19th-early 20th century. It was meant to described people exploited by capitalists. Pejoratively, it separates the “have” from the have-not”. So I guess, in that context, BBG members are the ugly capitalists exploiting the labor of Singapore coal-miners and noodle-makers..I guess only.,

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    • Johnny

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Tshih Ming

      Please continue to type here and show your blind allegiance. We are all noting your posts and when the verdict comes please get ready to eat your words back… oh but that may increase your weight further as there are so much words you have to swallow back..

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    • Working adult

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      To JJ, thank you and now I know how working class being classified….

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    • JJ Lavigne

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      My last part about bbg being “the ugly capitalists etc”.. was ironical of course… Just playing safe here ;)

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    • Perth Thong

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Daniel from Malaysia, I am wondering why many (not only you) have this mindset of ‘if found not right, then just leave quietly”? Look, 1) the senior pastor has OPENLY influence the CHC members to donate to building funds 2)many CHC members has openly declared their faith and supported the mission wholeheartedly. 3) Now, the CAD has raided the church and charged the leaders with ROUNDTRIPPING of funds 4)Why donors have to leave QUIETLY? 5) Why do you think that deprive one’s rights to demand for truth is alright?

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    • FT

      22 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      I seriously feel that a leader will leave and leave with dignity. Moreover,you said CHC had fed you many years with spiritual knowledge,yet you immediately began to stab at them,the moment you leave. After CHC released their statement,you now tried to ‘counter’ their statement over the ‘truth’ you know. But what is the truth? If we have to leave it to court to settle,why can’t you reveal during the courts,but now trying to create confusion and disunity?

      Jesus said love your neighbours as yourself. Love those who hate you,bless those who forsake you. But your actions showed,you took a knife n stab them,and still stab a 2nd time. Is there going to be a 3rd or 4th time? CHC still have members who were once your good friends,fellowship and even drink coffee with you,encourage and strengthen you when you are down. There’s nothing wrong for you to decide to leave,but a GREAT leader will never do such things,by turning against the church.

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    • Anonymous

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      I agree with @Frankie Lee

      Dear Eng Han
      I respect your stand , and I still believe that you are good leader . However I feel it is not the right way to portray your point of view in the public form while the case still inconclusive .

      I understand you have your story to tell , wouldn’t it better to present it at the appropriate manner such as court where legal , justice,fair and un-biasness take place without personal emotional or opinion .

      As a member in the church for more than 10 years, we had seen your contribution to the church , cross over and building searching vividly . What will be happened to Senior pastors is up to God’s judgement and Judge from the legal side .

      I would appreciate you could present your point of view at appropriate manner , otherwise it would possibly shaken the unity of the church , or faith of the people .

      Remember faith of the believer are not base upon the church leadership solely , but to God , I believe you have sowed to many live of the peoples to lead them to the Christ . Seeing our brother and sister’s drawing away from God must be not what you want .

      Nevertheless , It may not be a healthy image for the whole world to see discord in the Christian community , hence it does not edify Christ .

      No matter what stand you made I respect you ,I believe Pastor kong just like you who poured our life to the calling of God ,fulfilling the vision and promises be it in BBG or in Church is to reaching out the lost , bringing people to Christ .

      However , my question is

      1.Do you think this post can edify Christ , or to glorify God ?

      1 Corinthians 16:14
      Let everything you do be done in love (true love to God and man as inspired by God’s love for us).

      2. Do you have the faith that God will fight for you if you declare you are righteous ?

      Exodus14:14
      The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be silent.”

      3.So what if you are right , had you though of the consequence of the whole Christian congregation . They are the life that belong to Jesus . Issue with the pastors it could deals with many ways but live of the people are irrevocable .

      Proverbs 6:19
      A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

      4. Your intention is against the Church congregation or Leadership ? If it is with the leadership , shouldn’t you deal it with a interpersonal way or proper legal way ?

      2 Chronicles 19:6
      and said to the judges, “Take heed to what you are doing, for you do not judge for man but for the Lord, who is with you in the judgment.

      Bother Eng Han , we are one body of Christ , let God fight for our righteous , whatever we poured our life to His people , God will never leave us nor forsake us .

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      I don’t know I have how many like-minded people here, while I am not seeking for agreement, I find that the approach of 息事宁人is in no way appeal to me. If nobody care to assert the board to bear the responsibility on cross checking of the fund, it will bring MORE HARMS to the society. By writing here, it doesn’t mean that we are judging the church leaders as at this point in time, Eng Han may be right , may be wrong, but he has played his part well…….donors, don’t be lazy, you have the rights to demand the board of directors to do their job properly.

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    • FT

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @ Perth Thong

      Are u a member of CHC? Do you give to the church?

      When Eng Han was the board member,why didn’t you DEMAND him to do a better job? I speaking in a point of view as a donar.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      FT, can you define what is LOVE? is one of the element involved ‘Lies’? Do you know why we are here to question?(by the way, don’t ever brainwash me to say that I have to stay loyal and silent,it doesn’t work!) The big word that irked many church members who are in financial line is non other than the charges brought to them called ‘ROUND TRIPPING”!!!!!!!!! I do not know how CAD found out the worms in the can, but I definitely know the definition of round -tripping. It involved LIES….not LOVE

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    • Helen Lin

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Perth Thong, don’t get angry with Tshih Ming!
      Whatever classes he’d love to name chc OMs or MMs. Let him be and I used to respect him when I was a chc OM. But after experienced his comments here, speechless! God bless him! I will keep Eng Han and his family in prayer although I have not spoke to him personally when I was chc member. He has my respect for speaking truth. Eng Han may remain silent now till the Aug trial takes place. May God peace be with Eng Han and his family!

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      • K

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

        Is that comment really from Ps Ming or an imposter? Please think deeper

    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      FT, do not ever try to cross the line and prefixed in your mind that nobody asked.

      You can say I have many weakness, just like anybody, but I am hundred percent sure of my gift from God-my sensitivity on figures!!! just fyi.

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    • FT

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @ Perth Thong

      I think you haven’t answer my question leh.

      Do you give to the church? Are you a member of CHC?

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Helen Lin, as CHC formed by donors across all walks of life, nobody love to be defined and limited in certain class. After all, can’t you remember the senior pastor ALWAYS said the nice line…..unequal amount but equal amounts of sacrifice!! year after years, CHC has been giving this impression to the public that in God’s eyes, everybody is equal….but, but, but Tshih Ming was here to remind LONG TERM AND FAITHFUL DONORS about his big word called ‘PROLETARIAT”, don’t you think that he inadvertently asking everybody else to think along the line of …’CLASS”? This is sinful

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    • Helen Lin

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @working adult, proletariat means non-propertied person(无产者)or (无产阶级).
      In normal English, low class

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    • Tom

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Mr. Chew,

      Evil prevails when good man choose to do nothing.

      Instead of encouraging you to speak the truth, I am surprise by the number of CHC people asking you to leave quietly and not to speak out for the sake of unity.

      I hope more youths will be awaken to seek the truth behind this whole incident.

      Seeking the forgiveness from God is far better than getting the approval from man.

      Stay strong bro!

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      • Amy Lauschke

        23 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

        Indeed, we rejoice that Chew Eng Han has stepped out into the Truth. As brothers and sisters in Christ, we have the responsibility to pray for Chew and his loved ones, that God will get His angels to protect Chew/loved ones from all physical and mental harms.

    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      FT, instead of questioning the board of directors for accountability, you are actually playing the role of investigator to scrutinise individual donor….ha! ha! I am appalled by the way you question. Pray more to God, ask for wisdom to apply the right methodology to discern. ,please. After all, if you are a true believer, HE will open your eyes. God Bless you!!

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    • Don’t Fight please!

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Aiyo , I don’t think the real Pastor Ming of CHC is here commenting
      Lah, he is happily playing ‘ the game ‘Dumb ways ‘ at home lah!:)

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    • FT

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @ Perth Thong

      I think it’s really the kind of ‘wisdom’ u leave to ‘unwise’ ppl like me,makes me think if you really a donar of the church,or even a member of the church?

      Because i really want to know how you can do that by your DEMANDING to know from the board members? Am also curious how you did that?

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    • Working adult

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @Helen Lin, thank you and I would like specially thank Tshih Ming, for letting me “a working class” know “Who we are” in the church’s perspective. While I am still wondering what is going on, it is time for me to say goodbye to the place I used to call home.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Helen Lin, thanks for your explanation on ‘PROLETARIAT”. What a SHAME that somebody who thought he is so senior in church ….suddenly went silent. Why?

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      FT, please counter check with senior pastors….what do they mean by “unequal amount but equal amount of sacrifice” before you start to build up your curiosity on anybody here. Does it make any difference ?

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    • Lim

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      TO EH,

      If you think City harvest was wrong in the first place, why didn’t you stand and speak up long ago?

      You have been with the church for so many years if you find that the church has no accountability and has done wrong, you should have stand stand and confront in the early years and WHY NOW when this trouble happen?

      Are your trying to save your yourself?

      These are people view who are not from CHC and I am writing in for them.

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    • FT

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @ Perth Thong

      You are still avoiding my question.

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    • JJ Lavigne

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Helen Lin, thank you. Perth, thank you.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      FT, I think you have to spend some times to really reorganise your thinking. Do you know why there is such urgent needs? Because seeking for truth is different matter altogether with turning against church. If you spare some thought for the kind, faithful and devoted CHRISTIAN, what makes you think that by asserting the demand for the board of directors to play their role appropriately is equate to ‘turning against church”?.You must think light a philosopher and try to upgrade yourself. Don’t get stuck in the toddler thinking stage….If I am not for you, means against you. Much effort is needed…..anyway.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      FT, I am not your mother and you are not a 3 year old,either. Right?

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    • Anonymous

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      We are not trying to say to encourage BRO Eng Han to leave quietly .

      What I am trying to say -counter correction , shouldn’t it better to do it face to face or at the legal way , let justice prevail .

      I believing all of us are spectacular towards all the information here , cause most of us do not know 100% of the information , unless you are involving .Whatever we read here can be interpret in the hybrid ways where mixture of facts , emotion and personal opinions takes places.

      What if it is not truth , or there is underlying reason within , wouldn’t it misleading the readers ?

      What if it is true , let’s wait for the justice take place .

      What I meant is we all want the truth , shouldn’t us wait patiently for the truth to prevail at the proper manner ?

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      JJ……thanks God and praise the Lord….always and always.While I was filling up some forms in Germany, there is no such column called ‘RACE’.The Germans really learnt the lesson well. In today’s society, I do not expect some so -called leaders uttered the word ” Proletariat”, whether he is a true elite or not, that is beside the point.

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      • K

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

        Dear Perth... Please do not use the Lord's name in vain

    • JJ Lavigne

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      I read many instances of calls for God to do the work, to bring Justice. I trust not only He will, but He is. And interestingly, in the Bible I read, our God has the high propensity to use… people. He seldom moves directly (a good thing because it tends to be rather… expedite) but acts through people. Yes, yes, people, like you and I, have to do something. Sometimes. Not only pastors or priests. But us. What can we do? Yes, we can pray. Yes, we can meditate. But we can also speak out and act, or at least make a stand. Yes, God infused His principles in us and we have to exercise them. And keeping, quiet and docile in the line is not part of the teaching. Jesus himself was perceived as a arrogant young brat and chased out from the synagogue, or for a violent man when he was throwing the vendors out of the temple! Why was Jesus himself doing it? Because, in all likelihood, the priests of the temple failed to do it… They didn’t keep their temple pure.
      Why do I learn from this? That God ultimately move when we fail to do the right thing. But His teaching is there to teach us how to things on our own (with and in Him). Reality is that Jesus, after three years if ministry with His disciples, was still lamenting that the Disciples were “not getting it”… Jesus had to die to get the message across: “you can do it on your own, I taught you enough!… (But I still send you the Holy Spirit as a back up… ).. ;).
      He knew…

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    • Helen Lin

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @Working adult, continue to grow in another church spiritually if you have decided to leave chc. Bring the glory to God. God bless you! It’s ok whatever class he want to category chc members because that’s Chc DNA for talking down on others by all mean! 人在做,天在看!

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Anonymous, Patience is a virtue, yes.
      But if something so obvious published on the paper and already raised by CAD called ‘ROUNDTRIPPING” still being ignored generally by the “faithful’ one…I think it urgently need a wake up call. I do not interested to question any other topics other than ‘ROUND TRIPPING”….this is simply because it is already made known to PUBLIC.I am not here to speculate , anyway.

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    • JJ Lavigne

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      To Anonymous,,
      Well, you are right, no one knows for sure yet what was the right thing to do. I don’t think Eng Han’s intention was to be spectacular. I suspect he was drawn in a position that made it impossible to maintain a pretense of unity and it had to be made “public”. That the statement was released through Christian channels/blog(s) shows that was not meant for mass-market consumption, but for the people of the Body of Christ first. This, in itself was the right thing to do. Clearly, it could not have been done through CHC internal channels.
      So, why now?
      Probably because it was not necessary earlier and later would have be too late, according to Eng Han’s own judgment. This is rational as I can be, I hope.

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    • Daniel from Malaysia

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Dear Perth Thong,

      Well, my point of view may sound strange to you. Firstly, I’m not a Singaporean and I’m not a CHC member. To answer your question, I’m definitely not a person who walks away quietly for righteousness sake. In Malaysia I’ve been to demostration against corrupt government, I think for that I understand what it means to stand for truth and voice it out. In reply to what you said,
      1) I’ve been to CHC and gave sacrificially to the offering, but I am clear that I’m ultimately giving to God through the Church with no strings attached. I’m a simple person, if I always have to find out how my money is spent, I’ll have to spend a lot of time checking out St John Ambulance, Old Folks Home account. Especially when it comes to giving to God, I don’t think I’m under the influence of a man, but prompting from God. You have to understand that after you give something at will, that thing is not yours anymore. If you don’t trust, then don’t give. Unlike giving to income taxes, it’s an obligation, so you can question where the money has gone to. Have you questioned your government? I think you probably just look at the development of the country and trust that the money is rightfully spent. Yet, it’s still without proof.
      2) Well, when you are in a trial;. no matter how the public thinks, you are innocent until proven guilty. So we don’t speak conclusions now.
      3) I don’t deprive Eng Han of his right to demand truth, because he doesn’t need to. He definitely knows more than us. But the public does not need to know or will never know, that’s why I questioned the need of doing this publicly, leaving people more confused. Need wisdom in handling informations. Half truth is more dangerous than a full lie.
      4) I think the world has become a less beautiful place when everyone is asserting their rights… It’s not wrong. But I think if everyone thinks about their responsibilities rather of their rights, the world will be a better place. Singapore is a small island, just love more and accept more ya. Why focus on little imperfections of other people while they can do so much better by focusing on their strength. Probably sometimes it feels better to magnify others’ weaknesses so that we ignore our own weaknesses.

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    • Anonymous

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Well say Daniel

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Daniel from Malaysia, thanks for your explanation and taking time to elaborate.Do you follow the court case closely? Do you know that non of us interested to question the use of donated fund UNTIL CAD raided the office and pressing the charges against the leaders on ROUNDTRIPPING? I trust in the Lord wholeheartedly but NOT the man . HIS presence is obvious and HE will take charge. In your eyes, it maybe ” little imperfections’ , but definitely not in the eyes of the lawmakers here in Singapore.

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    • Name

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Confused, stumbled? Disappointed?
      This is likely how many members will feel as the saga unfolds. But I prefer to prepare myself now rather than having to find out the truth later from the trial and media.

      Understanding that Eng Han can’t comment on the specifics and evidence, we should try to get the details from the COC report.

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    • Suzanne

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Hi bro Eng Han
      I saw a number of “Job’s friends” commenting here (if you get what I mean). Just want to encourage you to fix your eyes on Jesus. Don’t be distracted by “Job’s friends” here.

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      I know nothing of anything but I am saddened by the extent of damage you have done in your actions. It’s a humongous damage to Gods kingdom and the above remarks by CHC detractors members public back sliders says one thing for sure. You have shamed Christianity publicly causing disunity confusion doubts uncertainty war of words no joy no happiness and these actions are against God of Love Peace Joy Happiness And are not the gifts of the spirit for such actions. The war of words here will come in a barrage and there will be no peace no joy no happiness. The works of the devil is to allow such thing to happen so please don’t be a vessel for it to carry on. I urge your sensibility kicks into play. You may be hurt but now everyone is hurt and you are happy? I will bring the hurt to God and not the public and I am shocked that as a leader you prefer to do this even if its the truth. Are you a leader?

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    • TPY

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Confused, stumbled? Disappointed?
      This is likely how many members will feel as the saga unfolds. But I prefer to prepare myself now rather than having to find out the truth later from the trial and media.

      Understanding that Eng Han can’t comment on the specifics and evidence, we should try to get the details from the COC report.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      Jenny, do you know the extent of damage can be even greater if faithful church-goers choose to conveniently accept what is given?I do not see the Jesus who we believe in is so against us to demand for accountability. Of course there is confusion, of course the process of seeking the truth may cause you some discomfort because eventually many have to face the HARD truth.

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      Members who stumbled ate members who anchored their faith in Man then in God! If the Israelites continue to disbelief Hod they will not come out of the wilderness!

      Even if eng Han is right and CHC is wrong are the salvation of people not important and people and eng Han prefer to engage in de focusing the church amd cause disunity and the church fall snd thousands of youths stop coming to church because they prefer to believe in Eng Han when the CoC is already in progress? Does eng Han has a solution for the thousands of youths to meet their thirst for god now? Does eng Han has a solution for all the unhappiness in bringing for the truth even if he is rite. Who gains? The public and non Christian will laugh and the church will suffer! Does he call himself a leader?

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    • Henry

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      CEH for the win!
      Let the truth be known…
      Frankie lee that was a low blow before the trial
      Eng Han do not be discouraged from reading the comments… The law is still above KH…

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      Perth
      Important is the people at stake are now suffering ie the church.

      You are seeing muddling shots to CHC by so many people and these are a fragment. The whole spore is laughing at Christians in CHC.

      I already said Eng Han prefer to bring a man down but cause the church to fall! Which is more important? I also said sowing negative things are not the spirits if god either.

      That’s all I am saying!

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    • Henry

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      @Jenny it is better for these youths not to go to THIS CHURCH u are referring to… Yes non Christians will laugh bcos of the greed of the few…… Telling the truth and standing by integrity and repentance is the mark of a true leader… The youths should go to a proper church… Not a cult

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      I still accept the hard truth even if CHC is wrong but I cannot accept the truth that eng Han action has caused the whole nations to laugh at any members

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      Jenny, let’s be very sure on the objective you choose to believe in Jesus Christ in the first place.Other’s opinion doesn’t count.What is important is the relationship between you and God. People who makes you think that seeking the truth means causing disunity are the very one who want to deter you from open your eyes wide. I pray that God is with you…..life is not a bed of roses, why must we care how ‘perfect” we are in the eyes of others??

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      For wanting to worship God at CHC!

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      I already said God is joy peace happiness.

      If you have no relation to CHC to the CHC money to the members why is everyone so concerned! Why has eng Han choose to be sent all these years? Correction is to be done right at the bud and not a blame game as what he is doing now!

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      Silent I mean!

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      Jenny, I beg to differ. Church members have given many chances to senior pastors, no matter how you define, it is definitely under the category of “MORE THAN ENOUGH”. Please google the financial term-round tripping and try to think why CAD link the whole saga to this term.

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    • Suzanne

      23 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Jenny, please don’t push blame on him conveniently. God knows who is the real mastermind.

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    • X

      23 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      I agree with you Jenny.

      Now suddenly Eng Han is like the “mighty saviour who is leading us to the truth” but he is essentially blaming other people and exalt himself implying that he is the more righteous one. Being manipulative now and the people in the world are laughing at Christians right now. So easily deceived

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    • Jenny

      23 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Suzanne
      I dun blame him but I blame the way he handle it. He rocks the cradle that brought him up and now the whole world is not seeing wat he is saying but starts to condemn CHC. Get it. The netizens have no care for his “suffering” they care to bring CHC down to its knee then wat happen to the thousands of youths? The thousands who needs prayers?

      The quote fm eng Han text ends not the bible quote but mans quote. He evens starts with CHC is s wonderful experience.
      I am not saying who is rite or wrong.
      I am saying it has tremendous ramifications of negative effects on Christian by his action to write to all social media abt why he leave So that justice can be brought to light.

      Why now. He has wonderful experience he said until things happened. You dun know along the way ?

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    • Tom

      23 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      To Jenny,

      EH has been with the church for more than 17 years and even the board members of chc recognizes his contribution. His love for CHC would not be any lesser than you. He is now facing the prospect of going to jail for “serving” his church, the only church he has known for the last 17 years, don’t you think he has considered his actions before deciding to go public? Instead of blaming him for disturbing the peace, why not ask how did all these things happened in the first place?

      Perhaps, he should have highlighted the problems earlier but it is never too late to repent. Remember the 2 guys who were crucified next to Jesus? Even at the very last moment, Jesus accepted the guy who have truly repented.

      I just hope that this incident will wake up all the youths in CHC to seek the truth.

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    • Henry

      23 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Eng Han is not the savior here… He is just looking to redeem his wrong… Doesn’t mean no jail term… Jenny , most of us gave our best years and our best $$$ to CHC…
      Stop being such a troll

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    • Tshih Ming

      23 Jun 2013 05:06 am

      Hi I am pastor Ming..

      And if you really believe that you must be really dumb.. I am kelvin poh and I am not the one who posted the previous comments under the name Tshih Ming. I am doing this now to demonstrate how easy it is to pose as someone else on the internet while remaining anonymous. Please be critical when reading things online. It’s comical how those comments become personal attacks by unsuspecting readers.

      Once again, i am not pastor ming and i (the author of this post) am not the same author(s) behind the posts by the previous “tshih ming.”

      To the person who has been impersonating pastor ming to launch personal attacks, shame on you,

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    • Tom

      23 Jun 2013 05:06 am

      To Jenny,

      If an organization is above board, no one will want to bring it down. In fact, most people recognizes all the good deeds done but that does not mean we should turn a blind eye when it is against the law.

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    • Victor Lim

      23 Jun 2013 06:06 am

      Tshih Ming

      Alas you are cowardly withdrawing and faked being impersonated after posting here regretfully. We recognized your tone, it was you.. shame on you… and cowardly

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 06:06 am

      Dear X and Jenny, do both of you ever realised what were the common words that appeared in your sentence? ‘Now” and ” Suddenly’. A series of event and the sequence of it…..are well planned, if you care to observe, and observe well enough,you will not have the impression of “now’ and ‘suddenly”. After all,the senior pastor always preached ‘if you fail to plan, you plan to fail’…..For Christ sake, pray 10 times, 100 times , 1000 times, keep praying …., you will know people who can mobilize sizable fund usually have one common trait~ well planned.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      Tshih Ming, do you know there is such thing called IP address? and we need you to prove your IP address is different from the impersonator that you mentioned. Please lodge police report if what you mentioned and try to defend is true. After all, senior pastor ALWAYS mentioned “Unequal amount but equal amount of sacrifice’…the word ‘PROLITERIAT’ is posed as another inconsistency vs what the senior pastor preached.

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    • Justice

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      It is shocking that the CHC Board is actually a sham board just like the sham transactions – they did not even see fit to do a proper due diligence as part of Corporate Governance. Its “you scratch my back, i’ll scratch yours” and “shift everything under the carpet”. Looks like there is no independence and those guys on the CHC board are just merely lending their names just for a front window dressing. Shame on them, there are at least 2 accountants among them -should their professional ethical principles not matter? Didnt they see it as God’s duty to do a proper due diligence to at least examine, run an internal independent enquiry even as they pay due deference to the Pastoral staff – but must do their duty as they should??? Or did they that this lightly when even the COC issued public statements? They are so quick to do damage control no matter whether it is rotten inside or not. And one of the accountants is supposed to be the Deputy Director of the Practice Monitoring Division of the Institute of Certified Public Accountants – did he not see fit to launch a proper enquiry? Suppose to monitor accountants! With such a big charge from COC, and he didnt even have a proper enquiry??

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    • Andrew Why

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      I’m surprised how the level of stupidity of those City Harvesters who have choosen to remain. Instead of demanding truth from your BOD, you start crucifying Eng Han.

      1. Since the start of the scandal, there was more than ample time for the accused to come clean and the board to conduct an independent inquiry. Did it happen? No…….now that someone is willing to come clean, you guys are casting stone at him. Aren’t you hypocrites trying to condemn Matthew, or in this case CEH, when he’s trying to climb the tree and get nearer to Jesus?

      2. I don’t believe it’s unbiblical to voice disagreements. Where in the bible does it say so? And don’t misquote about edifying the body. I can use the same quote and smack you in the face – hint: look at China Wine and Mr Bill. In fact, some of the epistles Paul wrote were to admonished the churches who did wrong. Was Paul unbiblical?

      I suggest you get back to studying the bible. Don’t make a theology out of “ways of responding to disagreements”

      3. If CEH chose this path to take and considering all he had done for Chc, you can assume its the last plausible mode of action. If so, why? Apart from his reasons, let me share with you some scenarios which you will never dream of – he may be ‘pushed’ forward as the fall guy, taking the entire blame for the fiasco so that the church staff can get away unscathed.

      But why him? Because he’s a non-church staff, precisely. Chc still needs members to fund its suntec debt, or else it loses everything – including JW. The only way to keep its reputation intact would be pinning the blame on one person while maintaining that the church was naive and acting only on instructions.

      If this happens, pray for CEH, not KH et al, cos five will be corroborating their testimonies against one

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    • Justice

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      If in fact the CHC board did an internal enquiry, they should publicise this to the members of CHC and the public. They should come out and give a proper statement that they have done their duty and let us know their findings.

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    • Justice

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      Looks to me like this unity and keeping quiet over any wrongdoing in the family is like a big mafia silence code..i hope among the other 5, some will see it in their conscience to speak the truth and not cover up any more. If they are merely “instruments” to do the bidding of the mastermind….they should now come clean and join CEH to declare the truth…

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    • nguyen Bich

      23 Jun 2013 08:06 am

      irrelevant choong with 2 zeros…you told everyone that you are not taking salary from church. become volunteer pastor. truth is it never happen rite..all the time still take salary. the only thing you volunteer is cream the church..claim petrol money from the big cell group u said u r the founder. tell sot bibke school student that u dont hv much money in ur pockets but u drive mercedes convertible or sports version.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 08:06 am

      Justice, perhaps people has lost hope on the person who loves to change his position too often. The very person who gave instruction to mobilize millions of dollars could not produce the account with full details of breakdown on expenses , with the backup of VALID documentation proof.They can’t prevent people from thinking along the line of lack of TRANSPARENCY and CONFLICT OF INTEREST.People with the wisdom from God should know how to draw the line between LOVE and allowed the love one to embrace lies and worst- common practice of COVERING up of LIES.

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    • roland pan

      23 Jun 2013 08:06 am

      Mr Kong already claim that when he was going thru stress and depression, while preaching, he saw a vison and said GOD spoke to him, apologise to him, saying ” I am SORRY Kong, you havr to go thru this alone..so that blah blah blah”. Yesterday he preached about epignosis..and one point talked about how Holy Spirit had to asked him for his permission before HS perform something so that Mr Kong wont be shocked. Wow, Mr Kong claims to be at a level where none of us are in spirituality. God did not spare His own son, dont think God said sorryto His own Son but God said sorry to Kong. God loves Kong more than Jesus. Jesus suffered n died on the Cross but Kong only took building fund and pump it into crossover yet God said sorry to Kong that he suffered so much….hmm..all thosee still believe in mr Kong…all the best to you..May the Lord also say sorry and apologize to all wasted years of timr and money.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      Roland Pan…….thanks for updating the latest ‘stunt’. I was in HK quite often and usually stayed few months there before moving to other places,I loves to wander around Causeway Bay ~ the wet market nearby Er Jin Qiao(鹅颈桥), the way the senior Pastor conveyed the message has no difference with those 先知Aunties who chant under the Bridge,HS can move in and out only via them 。 The only difference is maybe the language they use and the packaging. One cost few hundred bucks HKD, another one , well, millions of SGD

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    • ES

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      The facts are so plain abvious with now even Eng Han’s statement, yet chc member chose to be a ostrich. When investigation first came out, they say wait for investigation report, when the report come out they dun even read abd say wait for court.

      Even in Ed Ong testimony, there’s no even a mention of Jesus once, is that call testimony??? A chuch that doesn’t lift e name of Jesus is quastionable.

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    • Mr Lin

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      To be frank, Pastor Ming’s name is spelled Tsih Ming. When can this Tshih Ming be real if he spells his own name wrongly?

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    • Mr Lin

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      I meant how can this Tshih Ming be real if he can’t even spell his own name correctly. :)

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      • Don't Fight please!

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

        Yes, correct spelling is Tsih Ming!

    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      ES, 被蒙在鼓里的是可悲的,知道真相却选择逃避现实是没勇气的,而知道真相却选择掩盖事实以自保是可耻的!花颜巧语肯定是站不住脚了。 爱和包容已被无止境的滥用,是时候醒了!可喜的是全能的上帝并没打算蒙蔽有智慧的人的双眼, 祂还是留了后路给真正懂得真,善,美的人。

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      Mr Lin,we are not here to discuss Tshih Ming and Tsih Ming, if pastor seriously raise doubt on the impersonator, he has the rights to report to police, nobody here interested to debate. What we focus here is WHY widespread of practice of lack of accountability can be allowed in a Singapore listed church????

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    • Thank you Eng Han!

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      I give you one reason why public need to know everything.
      Public need to know because public still gives money to Kong Hee Ministries.
      KH has many branches and even TV shows to suck money from public. We all need to know that that money goes to a con artist. If we don’t know and continue pumping money to that conman, our charitable and good intention would go to waste. And other charities or ministries should have been blessed instead. Kong Hee Ministries, Derek Dunn Ministries, and all City Harvest Branches are world-class Scam!

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    • Justice

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      @Jenny. The nation(s) is not laughing at CHC because of the wrongs but because grown men/women who refuse to see the truth and still continue to fervently support (by the courts) these 6 as if they were completely innocent. And when more “evidences” are revealed, they continue to to argue that for the sake of unity and proprietary sake, all remain silence even if the truth is there. People are laughing that CHC members are like ostriches in the sand. If the young are to be protected (or is it to remain in CHC is the motive??), it should not be handled without integrity and honesty – is that a good example to set them?

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    • Justice

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      @Jenny. The thousands of youth dont need just prayers, they need good examples of what is the right thing to do. They dont need to see examples of how adults cover up their deeds. If indeed this event in CHC amounts to any lesson learnt, it should be that we practice what we preach. And the grace comes with the practice of purity, sincerity, honesty and truth. That is what the world is seeking for examples. The christian cannot be wallowing in the same mud. We are suppose to be the light and salt of the earth.

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    • Justice

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      Admission and repentence by the 6 may bring about forgiveness, reconciliation and even admiration by the public. That christians who sinned still have a conscience.

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    • John Lim

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      To those accusing Eng Han of embarrassing the church, that as a leader he should leave with dignity and leave quietly, this is exactly what some Roman Catholic leaders thought. Better keep quiet and don’t embarrass the church by exposing the pedophile but rather let the crime continue by covering up.

      In truth, the ones who are bringing shame to the church are Kong & Sun with all the shameless music videos and backtracking of words – she was never a pastor, her career is secular and nothing to do with church, church funds not used to support her career before being caught, it was Hanafi family who sponsored her… After getting caught “oh she was doing crossover to influence people to Christ”.

      If you can swallow that, you might as well be eating dogshit for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

      To silence the truth is to allow the crime to continue and I can only suspect those calling for silence are none other the perpetrators themselves. Possibly even an indirect warning to Serina not to break ranks.

      Eng Han, whatever people are saying, just keep focused on the truth and you’ll do well.

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    • City Harvest People are Hypocrites

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      You talk not to judge Pastor Kong, but read your comment again, read how you judged Eng Han.

      When Eng Han wrote about hypocrisy, guess what, you guys are the living proof! Just like their corrupt leaders, City Harvest people are a bunch of hypocrites, living under double standard, sell their soul for the holy name of Kong Hee and Sun.

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    • Jk

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      From what I see when someone leave the CHC – ppl will start to see them in a different light and start to say things about them. Fair enough. But can I ask what if KH and SH leave? Are you all going to say things about them too? Or join them? The truth is so obvious. If you still can’t see it, it most likely means you have not given enough money to the A&B or offering. So give more the for the next offering and the truth will find you soon.

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    • RainTree

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      cool down, cool down……

      We need peace, love and unity. But, but, but…. we have a big issue here,why the end beneficiary who busy developing her glamorous career few thousand kilometers away , who was not charged…can’t stand up to explain?what is her role now?

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    • RainTree

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      oh, correction….it shd be written as …”who WAS busy developing her glamourous career”

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    • Simon How

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      Dear All,

      Enough already. The haze is clearing and we are seeing some promising sunlight, yet the grumbling, arguing and reasoning still going on. What good can come out of this.

      Just wait and see. The eventual truth will be revealed in due time n the law will take it cause. Thanks.

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    • Toronto Maple Leafs

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      Justice is right.
      I’m a non-believer and I’m having a laugh at those CHC members who are blaming CEH for causing disunity and confusion.
      Whoever still thinks CHC is a house of God must be delusional. To me, CHC is a big tumor to Christendom, a cesspool of pus and deserves to be in this situation.
      You allowed your leadership to feed you unscriptural teachings; you gave your leadership carte blanche to do whatever they like; you lapped up everything they tell you just like they are celebrities. Indeed, some of you treated them like deities as if they were the ones who gave you Grace and led you to Salvation.
      CHC has become a laughing stock; the non-believing public is astonished (mind you, we don’t have the Holy Spirit to help us discern) how they can still believe his “I maintain my integrity” stance when his DNA is all over the bloody evidence? If the Crossover project had really been God’s will, would your leadership need to squander millions to get nowhere and instead get mired up in this criminal mess? I don’t need the Holy Spirit to tell me the answer. Stop kidding yourselves further.
      CEH is not causing disunity. I rather believe your God is cleansing the place. How He does it, whether CEH’s departure is the first move, it remains for all to see.
      Resistance is futile. If God wants to spew CHC out of His mouth, there’s nothing you can do about it. I just hope He sends those 2 to Dante’s lowest 9th level of hell to meet Satan.

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    • Toronto Maple Leafs

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      @John Lim
      “She was never a pastor”?

      Can CHC members confirm this statement?

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    • RainTree

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      While we are writing here, KH busy preaching his “PERSONAL SPECIFIC REVELATION”….

      Well, he made full use of that 20 minutes in Derek’s church to make himself feel good and talk about what happen next year after “everything is over”, what a nice and relaxed trip.

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    • SCYeo

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      The truth will emerge soon so let’s hold our peace.

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    • RainTree

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      Toronto Maple Leafs, for those new church comers, they may not know a long long time ago, before the US crossover project started, she was a pastor. Church members were urged to call her only “SUN ‘ after she decided to pursue her glamorous career in LA as secular world singer.It was totally WRONG to presume she was never a pastor at all and she can wash her hands clean

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    • Kev

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      In reading these comments hope we all know what we are doing. Using negative ‘words’ and ‘names’. Its like Jesus’ warning 2000 years ago, of each one calling his brother ‘raca’ (Matt 5), ..that ‘brother shall deliver brother to death …’Matt 10 .
      And Paul says too to the Corinthians ‘why are Christians judging Christians ..?’ Its seems Paul and Jesus ‘ words were once again being fulfill in this end time. Bible says we are a body. Imagine we are now slapping each other but most of all we are actually slapping ourselves. Like James says ‘we look at the mirror and we forgot…’ (we are a body of Christ?) Let’s be constructive with the words used. Like some of you did. But if we find it too sensitive to our emotion then better to give it a miss. We all are learners of the Faith. Bible mentioned when one sinner repents the angels in heaven applaud and celebrate. So too the devil and the fallen angels are applauding at the sideline. Just to see us tearing apart one another without knowing tearing ourselves apart in the process ..and our soul too. Ultimately if this continue, whatever Jesus died for, it would have been in vain.
      Let’s not ‘.crucify the Son of God all over again and subject Him to public disgrace’ (Hebrew 6). If we are of Christ (2Corth 5), we carry in us the ministry of reconciliation

      Kev
      Cheers

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    • Toronto Maple Leafs

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      @RainTree

      I swear I ever saw her as a Reverend before, that’s higher than a pastor.

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    • Shakti

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      Dear Singapore Tax Payers

      KH is stealing your money too .. if he did the right thing n just admit his wrong-doing would save a lot of $. It’s our tax $ that has to pay for the cost of this investigation, the prosecutor salaries and all other costs. By dragging this thing out so long by hiding the truth and doing things to hinder investigations (eg, creating minutes of meeting that never exist and doing funny things with accounts) its costing the tax payers $ that could be spent for better things like helping the poor, providing education, healthcare …

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    • RainTree

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      Kev, it seems that you care about ‘face value’ more than the needs of on revelation of truth. WITHOUT the explanation on how the million being channeled all around freely,you can’t stop people from pursuing the truth. It was bizarre and downright ridiculous for church members to embrace their leaders …albeit, comes with many half truths. KH is a nobody, he is definitely not the son of God, please do not equate him as one because the Jesus we believe in is not like that

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    • RainTree

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      Well said Shakti. By doing those hanky-panky things is meant to prolong the process of investigation, and obviously KH is buying time. , he kept talking about grace, peace,epignosis….what a shame!! He is not a credible man and definitely not a witness of truth.

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    • RainTree

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      By talking about peace, love joy…doesnt help. Are are talks only? is there any orphanage, hospital, elderly home fully funded by CHC? No! and they dare to preach about LOVE. the money has gone down to drain or …oops , perhaps not drain, tens of millions ended up few thousand KM away in LA. Just now KH even dare to mention about stress and inflation of living cost…why the poor, the elderly who needs the financial assitant so much WITHIN Singapore, they just chose to ignore but more than willing to agree with monies being used on one single woman alone who obviously only love herself?
      KH, please don’t mention about how tired you are with your manipulative wife in LA, we have enough of you

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    • ES

      23 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      KH teaching is getting more absurd of late. How can personal revelation be higher than e word of God? GOD apologizing to a servant is unheard of.
      In e first place how to trust a.man words when he keep telling white lies in front of congregation. He stated crystal clear that sun ho career has nothing to do with church in 2010. Now she is central to e crossover?

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      • explain please !

        23 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

        Yes, anyone from CHC can explain why a twist of words?

    • aboxofdarkchocolates

      23 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      Sun was a reverend! I saw it here:

      http://www.antioch.com.sg/events/intpasch/

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    • Shakti

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      Eng Han, I hope you will be a witness for the prosecution as you know all the internal matters intimately. Don’t be afraid to speak out publicly to tell the truth : you and the other accused are only guilty of not standing up against the Big Bad Wolf KH earlier. I can understand your position as anyone who speaks against their vision would be made to feel like a sinner, a rebellious outcast, would have been cut off and demoted by them. You were given your orders by KH and expected to follow blindly and unquestioningly. But now you’ve taken the first important step.

      I myself also gave sacrificially to the BF for many years believing that it was to build God’s house. Many others are in the same position. I’m sure hundreds if not thousands of members would not have given if they knew their hard earned $ was going to be frivolously squandered to fund SH & KH lifestyle and selfish personal ambitions and desire for fame and glory – Hollywood mansion, branded goods, business or first class travel between SG and USA while this is something many will never achieve in their lifetime! I have nothing against people living well as long as its with their personal funds! Not $ stolen from God and given by people for a whole different purpose. Honestly, I feel quite cheated! It’s a bad feeling knowing that they have lied to everyone and still continue to speak of their innocence.

      How can KH boast of SH talent in the music scene knowing that a lot of it was bought? They paid their way in using BF $ and can try to make people believe she has genuine talent. They ask members to buy CD and say she achieve success on her own! I was also in church when they first claim she was given this opportunity in USA .. I heard the lies they told that’s now being exposed.

      I hope people in similar situation (who feel cheated by the abuse of their BF contributions) will write in to the authorities to ensure the wrong-doers will get their deserved punishment. That there will be some form of restitution. That you guys who tried your best thinking it was for a good cause will not be used as scape goats for KH and SH coz you did not benefit from this embezzlement. Those who benefitted directly should be severely punished. Sure he will try to push the blame to you but we all know who was the master mind. I’m sure many people would be happy to give their personal experience on how KH runs the church – that blind obedience was always expected.

      Good luck and stay strong.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      K, please do not think that only you can praise the Lord and love God. You have no rights to stop others form proclaiming their love on Jesus!!!!!! By the way, why you dare not put your full/half name, you are just somebody who hide behind and trying to pose as though you are the most Godly one!! I love to PRAISE THE LORD because HIS PRESENCE IS HERE WITH ME!!!!! so how?

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      Next…K, i don’t really care whether pastor Meng is Tshih Ming or Tsih Ming, he can’t influence me , anyway. i do not mix around with people who loves to force people to choose. I have no peace .I just felt disgusted about the the word ‘PROLETARIAT” this guy quoted!!! He is a real coward….dare to utter the word but dare not reply anybody here.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      For others who have missed out the trail properly, i would like to point out that be very very careful with people who mentioned the word called ” PROLETARIAT’ , it sounds so eerie because somebody seems to adore Adolf Hitler so much .

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    • Tell The Truth!

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      Code from Shakti statement and what the court revealed now is different from what Kong Hee had told the church from pulpit that the project was sponsored by a business man and many version of stories but will not admit building Fund was used for Sun Ho’s music career . CHC leaders can you explain why ?

      . “How can KH boast of SH talent in the music scene knowing that a lot of it was bought? They paid their way in using BF $ and can try to make people believe she has genuine talent. They ask members to buy CD and say she achieve success on her own! I was also in church when they first claim she was given this opportunity in USA .. I heard the lies they told that’s now being exposed.

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      K, while you tried to hint Eng Han misleading, do you have evidence to prove that he is ? well, you don’t have and you are trying to stop others from seeking the true facts. I don’t know whether you really love CHC or merely chose to take side with people who changed his positions too often. Be careful……this kind of people will lead you to nowhere and wasting your precious time.

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    • Show Time!

      23 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      If Sun Ho is a singer , Kong Hee must be the actor! The rest of their supporters are their fan and you know how fans behaves , most of them don’t get to live or work with them but they will continue to scream & applaud for them on stage! So people don’t waste time arguing , no matter what you say , there is group will still keep standing with them even though at the end of the day the court can pronounce them guilty , you must be prepared for another Kong Hee ‘s side of story to tell you why he is not guilty ! Sad!

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    • This2shallpass

      23 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Noticed that both Kong Hee and the church said that they “maintained [their] integrity” rather than “maintain [their] innocence. Why? Because “innocence” is decided in a court of law while “integrity” is what you tell yourself.

      Even crooks can have integrity. That is why in Hong Kong both the police and the triads worship 关帝 because of his integrity. The Mafia has its oath of omerta – not ratting out to the police or other people. That’s integrity.

      So Kong Hee can “maintain his integrity” by not ratting out on his other defendants. For him, it may be a matter of circumstances rather than his integrity. He is obviously the big fish the government is trying to land. So it would not make sense for the government to let him get off easy by implicating the other 5 who are relatively unknown.

      Chew Eng Han, on the other hand, is clearly setting the stage so that he can rat on the others. He may have already struck a deal with the prosecutors. All these blogs are just to make him look less of a rat (that he has left the church but the church goes after him so he has no choice but to tell on the church leaders, . . .).

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    • Perth Thong

      23 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Show Time! by the way , do you know KH today in his church service ,he has the cheek to tell others in US’s Derek’s church~ “without vision, the people perish” and he said he is troubled and he is tired. ….. not long after this, he set the stage for the next ‘STUNT”…..of 20 minutes what God told him and insist he was in the atmosphere of the spirit/revelation and that Jesus downloading vision into his mind straight into his spirit…that next year , ‘after everything is over”….God told him the strategy to go US, go Europe…go, go ,go….”. The sequence of the story is so well crafted, because he knows how to lead others to think along the line of the FUTURE and divert the attention of the general public about ROUND TRIPPING and falsified of accounts that involved 8 digits of church goers’s hard- earned money!!(perhaps in their eyes , the money they get from donors was not hard-earned at all) look, somebody might be tired of their stay at Sentosa Cove, and since they try to imagine the grace of God is always there, go US, go Europe should be their next plan. I think church goers must really read the ten commandments properly,
      1) (Exodus 20:3), “do not worship other Gods besides me” -We must recognise the fact that KH is not God,he can jump, he can run, he can feel excited about God’s presence, but still, he is not God. So we can neither worship him nor CHC.
      2) Exodus 20:7,” do not misuse the name of the Lord your God. The Lord will not let you go unpunished if you misuse His name” – now, are you really sure all 6 accused never misused HIS name?
      3)Exodus 20:12 ” Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long , full life in the land the Lord your God will give you”- that tells you something- DO NOT IGNORE your parents, treasure them FIRST, definitely must put them in front of the queue compared to KH’s mission in US and Europe that you cannot see. (note; he claimed God told him, but did God tell you too?) They youth today must believe that you can do more things through Christ via wisdom given by HIM compared to vision uttered by somebody else that got nothing to do with your future.Be careful if someone said well, if you “sow”, you can “reap” 100 folds , thousand folds. It doesn’t work, If you love God, you do not need to listen to this kind of crap to boost your confidence.HE is with you if you pray fervently, HE can give you wisdom to discern, HE can reveal his vision DIRECTLY to you, not via others.I am very sure about this point because I experienced it.
      4) Exodus 20:16 ” Do not testify falsely against your neighbor”- well,what have they done to Eng Han ? you should see how they magnified the bond’s issue but putting so much effort to minimize the chance of anybody scrutinizing the falsified account. If KH has the ball, just show us the accounts with ALL the supporting documents in place, and do not leave room for the donors to raise doubt on where the money has gone. As at this point, I even doubt ALL Board of Directors know what exactly is going on, let alone common church member.

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      • This2shallpass

        23 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

        That makes perfect sense. With CEH's defection, the best chance for KH to stay out of prison is to find a country that has no extradition treaty with Singapore. So he is just setting the stage here and getting his followers to donate more money to fund his trip.

        in John 21:17, Jesus said "feed my sheep." Unfortunately preachers like KH and his ilks interpret it as "fleece my sheep."

    • Flora

      23 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Out thru Front door; In thru Back door?
      Or is this time different?

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    • Justice

      23 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      Board of Directors – 2 accountants, 1 academic and 1 doctor: they missed their chance to examine and find the truth as it is their duty. They should question their own conscience whether when counted on to stand in the gap and ensure order and clarity of the situation, they rather defer to the very leaders under investigation. They owed God and the members a duty of care they neglected. Maybe after examining thoroughly they can assure the public and members all is above board, but no, they took side and disqualified themselves. The COC and the STock Exchange should mark these directors and evaluate if there were negligence and should they be considered for future boards be it charity or commercial.

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      • 23 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

        Maybe board of directors don't function independently , they could be just taking instruction from the top leadership! Maybe..

    • Ka

      23 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

      Look into yourselves before you talk about others. Are you that innocent or pure enough to “judge” the wrongs of others? No one is perfect, no church is perfect. Instate of arguing who’s right or wrong, why not use your brain to make lives better for those in need?

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

        Request to zoom into COC report is different matter all together as to JUDGE other. Don't get brainwash by someone who said 'by next year, everything will be over". Be courageous and look at another side of the story NOW, not be coaxed into believing 'there will be one day "....
        "No one is perfect, no church is perfect">>> yes, you are right, but what if the 'a litlle bit imperfect", in your eyes turned into 'very very imperfect"? Don't you think by uttering this verse, members are just helping somebody to buy more time?

        If KH wish to stop everybody who still stand neutral now to stop speculating , he should just stand up, open his REAL books and let church members to cross examine. After all, God never told you to be careless in handling your money, right?

    • Tommy

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      Esp To all chc members ( if u r one )
      Let ‘s respect eng han’s decision to leave and give him some space . No need to criticize him and say all kinds of bad things against him.

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    • Tommy

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      Actually chc BOD do what one ah ? They only appear once in a while to give statement of support..I thot BOD also scrutinize financial acct ? How come so far none has come out and verify that the acct is accurate ?

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    • Henry

      23 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      Admin , can set up like n dislike function ? Would like to show my support to a few people…

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    • Helen Lin

      23 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      @K, you asked me to think deeper in the yesterday comment from Tshih Ming? Do you think I will waste my time to think deeper, oh pls! All your comments here are showing how shallow of your thinking! all your comments to defence tshih ming today reminded me a Chinese proverb, 此地无金三百两!
      Advise you to 三思而后行! GBU!

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

        K obviously thought he is in the "class" that can proclaim the name "Lord" freely but if others mentioned, it will touch his nerves . Don't you think it is classical set up of the very same kind with people who advocates the idea of "PROLETARIAT"? Furthermore, this kind of people only loves to hide behind to name himself as "K", his words really worth NOTHING

    • lz

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Dear friends,

      We understand this chat room consist of members from the church and public.
      I totally respect and understand the views and opinion coming from individuals.
      As far as we would like to express out views publicly, can we spare a thought for the younger ones that will be expose to the uncessary confusion.

      Eng han definitely have his reason to do so. Perhaps, timing is not right yet. Nevertheless, we can never understand how EH or the entire members feel right now. No matter how much we wanted to support the people we love and wanted the truth to surface, i feel we should not represent anyone to fight it out online.

      Moreover, we can’t expect people to fully understand when information are only a portion of it.

      It hurts to see people using harsh languages on each other especially members themselves. I love God, so do i love the people within and outside the church.

      Shall we extend some grace for the people involved in this case? I believe we have bigger capacity to handle this in a better manner : )

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

        Extend grace, yes.....but only to people who deserves it. We know God loves the people and HE will forgive the sinner, but HE will not forgive those who refused to repent .

        Many chose to abuse God's love , they just use this as a bridge , conveniently cross it...... without any conscience....!!

        We love peace and we ARE NOT fighting. What is urgently needed is the official COC report ~ to be scrutinized properly and BOD, please carry out your duty as per expected by the members, by the one who love CHC and give unconditionally.

      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

        Dear lz, to be more specific, we need BOD's who were/are not taking instruction to scrutinize the account and address our doubt with VALID documentation proof. Many well educated one in church, we have accountant, lawyers,bankers within the church, we do not expect CRAP.

    • ET sb

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Are you the Henry tat own special shop.? I am very confused.

      BRO Eng Han told us to support the cross over n what sun has been doing in La. Not to get jealous like netizen comments against

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    • ET sb

      23 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      *spectical shop. … against her.

      Heart wrenching.

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    • Helen Lin

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      @ Perth Thong, hack care the K. He is in the ‘class’ therefore he can proclaim all chc OMs and MMs are PROLETARIAT! Whether he is Tshih Ming or not and he himself know better and God knows too. He don’t have to jump out to ask ppl to think deeper! 睬巨都傻!费时啦!
      Ok, let listen to Iz, extend some grace!

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        有的人跌咗落地都要拿返札沙,好没面啊!

        Of course we have to think deeper....on how the figures flying around , and whether the Minutes were documented properly and Resolution has been approved by ALL directors prior to transfer of fund. Now, I am very curious on the BOD's background as well.....were they chosen to represent only one side ? and if they were chosen, under what kind of voting system? They may not getting any benefit from the post, but what about the people behind who chosen them? I really do not wish I am wasting time speculate here and risk being accused as conspirator. After all, I do not know Eng Han personally. The triggering point was started from the big word called "ROUND-TRIPPING" published openly on the paper, in financial line, it is a practice that meant to CHEAT. Why CHC ended up in such a state? I find that from 2010 till now.....is too long, CHC members , especially generous donors bear the shame ! What happened to KH, after a long period of waiting, it is enough!!!! Our life on earth doesn't have many 3 years to be squandered away!!!

    • Our Holy God Demands Nothing But Truthfulness

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Bro Eng Han

      Despite the darkness that falls on many victims of CHC, numbering in the thousands that have since left, we are praying and hoping that God’s justice will befall on the wretched false prophet Kong Hee and all those with him that are still trying to perpetuate their crimes against CHC members.

      How can anyone who lied so many times openly be called a “senior pastor”. Kong Hee is making a mockery not only of all the members of the Church, the COC, the Government of Singapore but also God.

      Therefore Bro Eng Han please for the sake of all of us who have been cheated and deceived and for the good name of the Lord, please never be afraid to tell the truth as God demands nothing less than Truthfulness from His servants. I feel very sorry for you and your family given your present circumstances but we’re quite in the same position as you, only yours is even bigger given the fact that you’ve served Kong Hee for so many years in that we’ve all been manipulated and cheated for Kong Hee’s personal agenda.

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    • Reminder

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      The issue at hand is more than a difference of opinion on theology or how to manage a Church.

      The backdrop to this issue is Singapore’s biggest white collar criminal case, meaning that there have been wrongdoings, frauds, criminal breach of trust, falsification of documents, intent to cheat and act of cheating the congregation, embezzlement of church funds involving more than $50 million…!!!! I don’t know about all of you but that is a large sum of money to me!!!

      So do we as Christians want Eng Han or anyone for that matter to sweep all these acts of Satan under the carpet and hide the truth?

      God forbid!! And please don’t use terms like Body of Christ and Christian Unity, etc to justify hiding the truth. God’s people have been hurt, misled, cheated, bamboozled, hookwinked !!

      This man is doing the correct thing in no longer wanting to hide the truth. The truth will set him and all those hurt and those that are still being hurt to be set free!

      Quote: Personal Statement from Chew Eng Han

      “Above personal reasons, I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to have a go at knowing and walking in the truth, and those who withhold it from the masses will be held accountable by Him for consensual silence. I fear God, not man. Unity is good, but it cannot come at the expense of truth and justice and be imposed for the personal benefit of a few. True unity is linked to the Spirit of God, of Truth and Justice, and edifies all, not a select few.

      “If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth, only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end despair.” CS Lewis

      “The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.” Winston Churchill

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        well said!!


        The innocent one can continue to go to CHC, nobody here want to stop them. But what's wrong if we , the donors(or water fish in their eye) demand for open book?

        Don't tell me our money went to good course and doing God's work!!! Prove it! When come to social work, there is some kind of benchmark to gauge the return. Don't use flowery word to glorify the "good work' the "hard work' and "sacrifice' of a SINGLE person few thousand KM away!! What about the continuous , complete funding for the local Singaporean, for the really POOR and NEEDY right at our door step??? I am very sure every business class air ticket to LA meant a lot for the low income in SG, right?

    • JLK

      23 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      to God Demands Nothing but Truthfulness

      What lies are you talking about?
      You mean Senior Pastor Kong Hee lies openly?

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        why you accused other who reminded you?

        KH owed church members a lot of explanation. We were told to wait,it has been a long three years.........can you please ask KH when is the appropriate time to tell his side of story? Whether he tells lie or not, GOD for sure will know. The Judge of Singapore will also tell you ....but I respect the judiciary system of SG more because they give you timeline, tell you time frame.

    • Our Holy God Demands Nothing But Truthfulness

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      I am very clear and more than convinced and by now many thousands of ex-CHC and all Singaporeans know that Kong Hee is a pathological liar and deceiver. (Angel of Satan)

      Consider some of these proven cases:

      1. He lied about Sun not being a pastor. Well we all know that she was and was instructed to “hush hush”..

      2. He lied about not plagiarising. He plagiarised the work of someone from the US for his devotional…pui, pui so cheap to do this to be passed as his devotional. Truth is he never had that closeness with God now that we know his true character.

      3. He lied that Church funds were never used to advance Sun’s singing career. Remember Roland Poon case. No need to say more.

      4. He lied that the Arise and Build campaign was to raise funds to build a church. Remember how he deceived the congregation when he showed all of us pictures of various iconic stadiums during the A & B 2009 alluding a iconic stadium will be built. He never meant what he said and in his evil heart he had plans simply to siphon the millions of dollars we donated with our hard earned money for himself and his wife. Surely this is a work of a master deceiver and conman.

      5. He lied that the Bible says that God will reward those that gave to him 30, 60, 100 folds and even gave us a demonstration. Whenever I think of this I feel really sick being conned by a conman who called himself a senior pastor, pui, pui, pui.

      6. He lied that he loves his sheep – He loves our monies. That’s the truth.

      7. He lied that he walk the talk and walk the walk – The biggest scam of them all. I hope and pray that he be jailed for live!!

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      • Justice

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        There is no doubt in anyone's mind that he is inconsistent on the first 5 points listed here and these charges are real and proven w records of statements he made in media. I would also add that he no longer use the title of Dr since it was found out that his postgraduate degrees (both masters and PhD) were earned likely no more than thru degree mills. This, together w the plagiarism incidents show a consistent pattern of deceiving and lying.

        With so many points of integrity issues charged against him, it does seem to indicate something abt his character.

    • outsider

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      as an outsider and from my reading of the news about the chc saga in our newspapers and the numerous postings in this blog, particularly the most recent one, and if these are all true, my humble advice to all existing members, flee from this church and save yourself further embarrassment, time and your money.

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        Dear outsider,

        Do you know up till today......this morning , KH still told the church members OPENLY, mislead them to think....by next year, "WHEN EVERYTHING IS OVER"...about his vision? Well, KH,Don't tell us about your LA, your US, your Europe plan....there are enough people here in Singapore suffer high cost of living, what have you done?
        Yes, you ever produced some figures that looks beautiful, but when I walked around those one room subsidized HDBs unit to distribute small gifts to the elderly under my personal capacity, non of them told me what are the significance contribution of CHC that has changed their life! Many church members are kind, passionate and really put in their effort to reach out ...I know who are they , I definitely respect them more than the one who has wasted millions and millions for the crap US crossover project.

    • lz

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Dear Perth Thong,

      Thank you, it’s never my intention to advise or challenge your reply. Honestly, as much as my heart is crying out for truth, there is only so much i can reach within my limits. My heart sank when people are out to see the church been put down.. not the physical building but the entire congregation.

      I feel everyone already have an answer in their heart. However, again it’s their choice to to analyze the situation. There is only so much we can achieve from the argument, i feel you, still two wrong doesn’t make one right. Everyone have to be accountable for the words and action that have been used, i’m sure internal action was taken, we just have to show our best support by imparting the right values through taking care of our love ones around us, the younger christain in cell group. They need a stronger pillar includin yourself to guide them. We can reverse by taking owership in this season.

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      • Perth Thong

        23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        Thank you & God Bless you. You are the more sensible one, gracefully pointed out many points that I have to learn. I sincerely accept it

    • lz

      23 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      @ Helen Lin

      That’s very nice of you : ) Thank you!

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    • lz

      24 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      @ Perth Thong

      Your support is very important to everyone in the church. Thank you. : )

      Let’s continue to remember God is a good God and he is above all our situation.

      God bless everyone.

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    • Mr Bean

      24 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      For the record,

      I don’t see much common sense in Pastor Ming.. so i have my thoughts too, if he might actually use his real name to post here.. :)

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    • Ronald Wong

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlfhIY-QDoE

      “sometimes the bigger the lie, the more believable it is” – Kong Hee

      Ok I get it… finally…

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    • Mr Idontknowanything

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Some valid points to ponder: I am addressing CHC members that are happily casting stones at Eng Han…

      1) Do you guys actually really believe that CAD, COC.. DPP.. these guys, would actually haul someone to court and charge them for no valid reason? If you do, you must be really naive.. What’s happening now, is just the beginning, more coming… i assure u..

      2) Week after week, we hear KH going on stage, preaching, sharing, n telling the whole church aka world that he’s innocent, and he maintains his integrity.. and for some, the church are taught to pray for his vindication and he’s somehow convinced that chc n himself is under prosecution from the devil n government.. Seriously?
      Guys, u r accusing the devil (poor fellow) and the government…
      And he’s manipulating the congregation to rise up… to stand for him, to write to COC..
      How desperate, and “low” someone can get?
      Didn’t the bible says, ALL authority comes from God? So why is your senior pastor asking u to do the opposite?

      3) I applaud and salute Eng Han’s and the BBG leaders for issuing a statement to announce the “Separation” from CHC…

      History has shown that , IF Eng Han has gone quietly, he and BBG will be (actually they have already been) labelled as Rebellious, attitude problem, not teachable, bitter, angry, non spiritual….and the list goes on.. (basically, it’s if you don’t play by my games, go to hell!!.. you are dead)…

      Ppl that left, Pastor Chee Kiang, David Yem, KC Gan.. What have the members been told about them? you guys know better…

      The fact of the matter is, BBG has been and will still continue to be an awesome blessing to others, nothing has changed..

      This war is never between members, but it’s a matter of Truth or Lies.. We all have to take a stand in what we believe in.. CHC is bigger than Kong Hee… and Sun Ho.. It’s belongs to God…

      TO all keyboard warriors… stop behaving like a coward, And for crying out loud, if you don’t have 10 charges on you, with your entire life which you know, is at the threat of ending, seriously.. SHUT UP… stop your self righteousness crap, what gives you the right to comment and judge a fellow brother in christ? And to ALL CHC Pastoral staff and members, stop your cowardly act of posting and twisting Bible verses to whack Eng Han and BBG.. your “spirituality” is annoying and disgusting.. grow up, didn’t you know you reflect the upbringing of your leaders?

      You want to know the truth, just make sure you can handle the truth, because pretty soon, it will be revealed..and finally if you want to pray, pray for the truth to be revealed.. nothing else.. God is a God of justice and Truth…Guard your hearts too..

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    • Brainwashed..

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Hmm.. as a chc member, i realized that throughout the years..when the trial started, i don’t know anything.. i asked my cgl, she also don’t know anything.. noone seems to know anything.. but how come i read the internet, everyone out there seems to know everything.. and when i start asking questions, i get shut off.. there’s this person ronald wong.. he was a ex cgl.. and he was actively defended Pastor n chc.. but after that he left.. and some of the things which he told me.. is really unbelievable..

      why i am typing in here, Eng Han, u r a great man of God.. and throughout the years, you have served chc with ur heart, i believe u have your reasons for doing what u did, but the fact of the matter is, it is a sad day for CHC when u left.. please dont be bitter and please guard your heart..

      to the other chc members, are we all brainwashed? how come noone seems to know anything, is there a cover-up going on? I just feel that we should dare to ask questions.. and get our answers.. and yes.. i do hope that the internal inquiry will come to past.. we the members of chc needs answers.. enough cover-up please..

      God bless all of us

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    • Everyman

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Mrs Light and Friends must be reading all these comments and be so proud of themselves.

      Such lively and stirring debate.

      *clap hands*

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    • Xxx

      24 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      ??

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    • Helen Lin

      24 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      @Perth Thong, agree with you points and of course i think deeper when i was still chc members. thats why i left! we hope chc members start to think deeper of the whole saga, think deeper of all the valuable comments here and not asking us to think deeper who are you behind the scene that giving all the crap comments which doesn’t inspired us at all.

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    • Shakti

      24 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      Beyond the millions of $ that has been defrauded here KH and SH would have to give an account for this -> how many souls have they turned away from God with all this? How many non-believers now harden their hearts further due to KH & SH hypocrisy and lies.

      They claim that many lives have been won due to Crossover. Big question is .. how many have been lost??? How many parents would shield and protect their children after watching those cheap MTV done by SH? I’m sure many parents would not want their kids to be involved in a church where SH style dressing and music is condoned and praised!!! Many women will not want their men going to church where the Senior pastor encourage his wife to parade like a dancer in a sleazy bar. I don’t see any other great leaders in the world that enjoy watching their wives behaving in such unbecoming manner (and even publicly praising it her song n video) Other leaders wives seem to conduct themselves with elegance, class and dignity. In a manner that will not cause others to stumble. Behind every great man is a great woman but man’s downfall is also caused by woman .. just like Adam & Eve!!

      How many Singaporean unbelievers reading about all this deception that has been revealed would want to become a Christian? They will be thinking what’s the difference that God makes? Outsiders cheat and lie but these Christians do it on an even bigger scale!! Or will some desperate men think .. let’s go to church because the girls can follow example of pastor wife and dress and behave cheaply to “attract people to God”. That’s not exactly the best way to win people either !!

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    • Henry

      24 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      I thought this comment column was locked yesterday.

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    • Fkong annoying

      24 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      to all who said CEH actions cause confusion or shaking its unity and all, its not because of his actions fyi, its the use of the Building Fund for other purposes, deemed as ‘crossover’(which ppl in chc have no doubt with), that started it all. All things are allowed to be shaken only to show unshakeable things which come from God

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    • yik

      24 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      Eng Han

      Thank you for your courage to stand up to Truth instead of giving in to manipulation, lies and deception from the church leadership. It is not easy and as I can see from the posts here, some of them look shocking to even have come from those in the faith.
      What is covered will be uncovered ! The Word is our final standard. God bless you and your family…such an encouragement to us in BBG.

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    • ET sb

      24 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      But bro Eng Han supported the cross over ! Why is his boldness only demonstrate now not before? Does it mean if no raid , he continue to tolerate as he mentioned.

      From the way he sigh, is more of his lost his * rank * , may be due to favorism whatever. … see , we don know what is happening, being transparent n can only give partial info confuse people.

      Since want to be transparent , until you could speak the whole deal then. As the trial is still on going.

      He could speak his bit in the court in Aug.

      But I don support tat his is abandoned by the group bcos of different view, and end up having to bear all the burden, neither do I agree he speak truth at a time when he could not speak the whole truth because of court procedure constrain.

      Then why stir confusion? The leadership relationship is like spouse, why blare in front of the innocent kids ( sheep) without head n tail. What side you want the kids to stand?

      Stand for the right ? Divorce n go each way ? Or reconciliation ?! So that the family is whole . Readjust the difference ?

      Which is which the leader preferred ?!

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    • CHC Latest Response

      24 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      City Harvest uploads the latest response, basically negates everything Eng Han claims. Someone needs to show irrefutable proofs to support his claims, no substance otherwise.

      Eng Han, I hope you have some records, perhaps the record of your four-and-half-hour meeting with the two, or some other thing that does not break the law proceedings, but somehow show the true color of Kong Hee and Sun Ho.

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    • Boston

      24 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      Dear CHC members , if you could recalled I think last year when pastor kong when on stage to preach this sermon on ‘motion sensitive God’ and he said he worked hard preparing the sermon but the fact is the sermon was was taken from this preacher: Jentezen Franklin
      http://www.watchyt.com/video/Motion-Sensitive-God/5NsR77lfr5o.html

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      • This2shallpass

        24 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

        Let us be fair. This video was posted on Youtube in 2 June 2013. So it is not clear who copied from whom.

        What is clear, though, is that preachers often do not practice what they preach. So they cannot really be trusted.

    • CHC Latest Response – also no substance

      24 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      Which point of the response negates CEH statement? looks like they desperately try to maintain unity by using some bible verses anyhow.

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    • Anonymous

      24 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      Hi… Whether who is right and who is wrong no one really knows… Whether EH is correct or PK is correct I don’t know n no comments… But I do know that now the church or perhap the believers are divided into two side in this blog… Why the division now? If te true shall be revealed in due course why create a turmoil now??? All harsh words and stumbling blocks are being cast to makes many falls and even before the truth is out! When the truth is out some will fall some may not but let it be when the time is due but why start the division now? Bro EH I only wish if possible u will just prevent people from commenting here anymore… U have ur stand I shall no comment but seeing the comments exchange here so far I think u should have shut this comment column earlier. Thanks

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    • wth

      24 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      Division? U mean like pk mentioned liberals and consercatives? Anonymous, dont go to this page then. U have citynews created for u

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    • Anonymous

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      No it not about what PK said.. It about this column is a ground whereby we start shooting and treating each other in hostile manners… Just like now.. While I suggest it you react with such a manners… For a non Christian to see this and how u react it a pretty bad for Christ image… Don’t u think so?? Like I said I’m not pro PK I’m thinking of Christian image to the non Christian… Imaging if Christ is look at this column what will he think?

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    • outsider

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      as an outsider I am flabbergasted, dumbfounded and bowled over by the stupidity of the members of city harvest church. it’s doesn’t take much brain to figure out that your senior pastor kong hee is literally a modern day bandit, a schemer, a deceiver and I agree with some of the label used on him, a master conman. look at all the evidences of fraud before you, look at his tracked record for lies, look at his lifestyle and behaviour that do not support what he said on stage.
      know that this man is nothing more than a rogue and not a good person. run, run, run, run away from him!!!

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      24 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

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    • aftermath

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      City Harvest Members

      Time to wake up. Don’t give anymore to the legal funds. You don’t know how much Kong already accumulated for himself and stored it overseas.

      There’s a likelihood that Kong knows he is going jail and he is storing up his wealth hoping after a short sentence he can still return as a millionaire. You are not aware of his offshore accounts and properties he possess and the number of Indonesian tycoons that gave to him. Save the money for yourself and family. Please don’t sacrifice for the wrong cause.

      Eng Han and influential members of BBG. If you can help the innocent members reclaim their money back from Kong, that will be really good. Although I think it is quite impossible now.

      It seem like Kong is preparing his backup plans in US. Or maybe when he goes to jail, Sun and Mark can go to US and live their lives there.. of course assisted by the rich entourage of Henry Chee etc.

      They can say they go help CHC US and still carry on their luxurious lifestyle with the help of DD.

      Sigh.. someone please do something to stop Kong and Sun from their evil ways

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    • X_FILEXXXX

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Why all this sudden change of heart for Pastor Kong and Sun? I am so saddened.

      Pastor Kong is a man of utmost honesty and integrity and did Pastor ever said that he was guilty or had done any of those crimes charged against him? Never right? So why are you doubting Pastor Kong now. After all he and Sun are the most anointed Christian leaders in Singapore. They were chosen because they are special, good hearted, honest, always speaking the truth, he and Sun have never even stolen 10 cents from any Church fund or from any children’s angpow. In fact when Pastor wants you to give, it’s more for your own good so that he can multiple what you gave 30, 60, 100 folds as he has preached so often about it and even demonstrated the point to us so convincingly. If any of you have doubt, I’m sure Pastor Kong and Sun will be most willing to demonstrate it again during next weekend service. But you must have faith and sell your house, or car or downgrade your HDB to raise the money to give to him. As Pastor always preached if you sow sparingly you’ll reap sparingly. So don’t be stingy for your goodness sake…yippee….!!

      If you now give to Pastor Kong, he will give you even more returns because Pastor Kong has a good heart especially during this crisis period. If you don’t believe me ask any of your Pastor or CGL please. Also if you don’t believe that Pastor Kong can make the 100 folds blessing happened for you, just see how rich Pastor Kong is. He owns so many properties in Singapore but Pastor Kong is humble and don’t want to talk about it as it can be seen as boasting. So now you know how good hearted Pastor Kong is….yippee…!! Again if you don’t believe that Pastor Kong is rich and owns several million dollar properties in Singapore and elsewhere evidencing that he can make miracle of the 100 folds blessing, again just ask you Pastors and CGLs again. They will affirm what I’ve said….yippee…

      So in short, don’t leave City Harvest Church because you’ve the best, the most honest, the most good hearted, the most trustworthy, the most sincere, the richest and last but not least the most beautiful and talented wife any Pastor has in Singapore…yippee…

      See you this Saturday and Sunday – please come both days and help to jack attendance level (as usual) …yippee…!!

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    • Henry

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      CHC not considered true Christianity church what… To non Christians , they are more like CULT …KH can make 100fold blessing on him and SH thanks to his believers like u that will continue blessing him so that he does not need to use his own $$$ for this court case

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    • Singapore Cabby

      24 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      http://cabby65.blogspot.sg/2013/05/god-and-city-harvest-church.html

      I was dumb in 2006 to have donated $18k for the CHC building fund.
      I was jobless then for a short period and had received a retrenchment compensation, and attended this church. I was taken to believe that the more you give, God will give and what I have received from my retrenchment, supposedly for rainy days during my jobless time, I gave part of this to the church.
      I eventually found a job in 4 months but I left the church, then feeling something really uncomfortable, also guilty of not giving more or giving all I have. It is so demonic that you got to fight each day between giving or not giving. It’s like shouldering a guilt and being ashamed of keeping your money like it doesn’t belong to you.
      It takes me years to finally set myself free after being brainwashed. I was very fortunate that I did not give away all my money least my family and two young children would have to suffer.
      Now, I wish I could get the donated money back and channel it to another church. I feel very lousy and bad to have seen how these money was spent and siphoned. Worse, knowing that my money is used for the ‘China Wine’, half naked pastor wife dancing with provocative acts… it’s a sick sick sick feeling. Now I felt guilty the other way, that I have made the donation.
      Like many Christians, I have initially felt like keeping quiet but I just can’t!! The more was revealed each day during the trial, the more angry I got. The more I see they defend the charges, the more I feel disgusted. If the crossover is righteous, why making all these stupid, evil acts to hide, distort the events, deliberately creating so much smoke and hideous acts to conceal?
      .

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      • admin

        24 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

        Singapore Cabby,

        You are not a dumb person to donate your $18k to God. You are sowing a seed to God not to man. Do not think of getting back the donated money, it does not belongs to you anymore. Continue to walk in wisdom and you will be blessed. Blessing comes in many ways, you have healthy children and happy family is also a blessing from god.
        Psalm 7:11
        God is a just judge,
And God is angry with the wicked every day.

    • Stopcheatingpeople

      24 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Con Hee is already singing “My Way – And now the end is near….”

      His empire built on fraud and cheating the poor common people living in HDB estates is collapsing as members are leaving the cult enmass as the truth about his criminal ways is being shared openly by leaders of the cult.

      Kong Hee is now reported selling his portfolio of properties to stash away his money out of Singapore? I hope the CAD and the Public Prosecutors are watching and keeping tab on the money flows.

      Slapping a Mareva Injunction on him and Sun would do good for the poor folks of CHC whom he has systemically robbed for years!!

      Hope Eng Han and influential people that you know can do something. At least raise the alarm bells to your lawyers and DPP.

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    • LSC

      24 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      X_FILEXXX, very amusing analogy by the way, I guess you have the potential to be one of the best scrip writer in town.I am curious, is there a 4D or TOTO shop operated within CHC compound? 100folds?wow, coupled with free show by the chic chic pastor’s wife, nice music,”prophetic”speech……very worth it leh.

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    • to anonymous

      24 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      No it not about what PK said.. It about this column is a ground whereby we start shooting and treating each other in hostile manners… Just like now.. While I suggest it you react with such a manners… For a non Christian to see this and how u react it a pretty bad for Christ image… Don’t u think so?? Like I said I’m not pro PK I’m thinking of Christian image to the non Christian… Imaging if Christ is look at this column what will he think?

      Christian image to the non christian is always they way it is, well at least from here they know that not all christian believe blindly to what one person says. If Christ look at this column u ask? i dunno, but i know he loves u and me, and would protect His sheep from false sheperd

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    • Ronald Wong

      24 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Hahaha welcome back x_filesxxx, anyways enjoyed your 10 cents stories and “yippee”. Singapore’s funniest troll yippee!

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    • admin

      24 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      To Anonymous,

      Thank you for your sincere comments. I do not think I will close this blog. In fact, if I receive any emails from victimized members who are being forced by spiritual bullies in City Harvest Church asking them to choose sides, Pastor Kong or Brother Eng Han, I will broadcast the bullies’ name!
      1 Cor 1:12-13
      12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

      Christ is not divided. Neither Pastor Kong nor brother Eng Han was crucified for me! I am baptized in the name of Jesus NOT Pastor Kong nor brother Eng Han.

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    • FT2

      24 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

      A big LIKE for above post fr admin and a big THANK YOU for not closing this thread. Though an outsider, these series of confessions here and at the FB have so spiced up my routine life…i know it’s not right to feel that. As a young christian, i know i shd spend more time in prayer and bible reading. i know i know but…tough leh…God has mercy on me. :(

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      • Emperor Kangxi

        24 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        Its actually good
        Since your a young christian dont be ignorant like some of your friends
        You should keep your eyes peeled for whats going on around you

    • All PARENTS must read!

      24 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      Kong Hee could more than afford his legal fees many times over. Stop giving him any more money which he would eventually leave to his son.

      Take care of your children first. Save your money for your children first.

      The following is cut and paste from a site on cuckoo behaviour: “Cuckoos parasitize the nests of a large variety of bird species and carefully mimic the color and pattern of their own eggs to match that of their hosts…”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V40ZZhR79HA

      Kindly watch the you tube clip to help you better understand what is going on at CHC.

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    • Ex-CHCer

      24 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      to anonymous

      if you don’t like what you’re reading, you can do yourself a great favour by not reading anything in this blog.

      I feel that this blog is a great instrument to update and warn the public and particularly city harvest members of the truth concerning kong hee. hopefully they are now able to see things that they never knew before and can make informed decisions.

      why are you so keen to hide the truth?

      are you also another satan’s disciple?

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    • LSC

      24 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      In fact when we give , we always have to bear in mind we love God , and when come to return, we are not that particular. This is because we should trust that God will take care of us.But if somebody give SOLELY due to the desperation of seeing God’s reward in 100 folds, 1000 folds, then might as well go ShengSiong buy groceries and then filled up the lucky draw form…..
      I think the concept is very salah lor.

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      • Emperor Kangxi

        24 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        I like the Sheng Siong example
        But chance is very slim
        However 30/60/100 fold investment plan is guaranteed by God
        Ok just joking

    • Ex-CHCer

      24 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      to lsc,

      I remember distinctly the false prophet demonstrating (bull…shi..ting..) to us that god will reward those that give to the a&b (ala give to him and his wife).

      from that instance I knew that he was a fake and i’m glad that 3 years later he is being exposed to everyone in chc as nothing but a cheat and a conman.

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    • LSC

      24 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Ex-CHCer,

      The young one in church must be very careful, especially teenager ,many gone through “rebellious” stage and usually not that obedient to their parents. That’s where the matured believer stand in…to tell them must follow ten commandments, Exodus 20:12 “Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long time in the land the Lord is giving you.” – This verse is so powerful, the ‘reward’ is right in front , and so close to any child, it is so real and the blessing contains two parts:a)a long life b) in the land the Lord “IS” giving you. !!!!! The “IS ” represent “now” and “continuous”……!!
      So, children, no need to look far away…..the “blessing’ start right from your home where your parents is in. Think twice and think very very deep before you believe that those mission, vision, project far , far, far, far, far away can actually let you have any assurance on “SEEDS” and “REWARD”. If you think to bring somebody to Christ got short cut….pay, can liao, then you are very wrong!! You must do the job !! You might be far better to influence others by showing good examples to people around you. I don’t see got any auditing procedure in church to verify the number of souls saved and trust in the Lord forever and ever -based on the “capital” you put in in Church.Every now and then, when the senior pastor flashed the figures on the stage…..how to verify? I am not saying that all are not true, even if half of the figures published is true, I am already very happy. But then….even I am happy with only half….how to verify?
      Fill in the name in the form…..well, does that count?

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      • Emperor Kangxi

        24 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

        CHC wants me to give money no problemo
        But must draft legal agreement that capital and 30/60/100-fold return are guaranteed and redeemeable upon the expiry of some tenure
        And is backed by the collateral on assets

    • Frankie Lee

      24 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      KH teaching is getting more absurd of late. How can personal revelation be higher than e word of God? GOD apologizing to a servant is unheard of.
      In e first place how to trust a.man words when he keep telling white lies in front of congregation. He stated crystal clear that sun ho career has nothing to do with church in 2010. Now she is central to e crossover?

      June 23 2013
      explain please !
      Yes, anyone from CHC can explain why a twist of words?

      Reply: In a Father God relationship with His
      son,KH,the mode of communication,God’s language is best understood between the two persons.Kong Hee perceived that God appear to be apologising,place him in such tribulations and difficult trials-but the very essence of it all is,God stand with him.God love him.Our Father is a very humble Person,so on many times His love-language to us,cause stress to Theologians,and they made Theories out of a simple vernacular,and it sound like different perceptions.God said He was sorry for creations of man,repent or regret creating man,hardly would one Theologian believe in God and accept His expressions.While Theologians impress upon us that God looks like an Idol,having no emotions,feelings and void of Temper,the scriptures told us otherwise.God has Temper,too.Even having great Vengeance in heart for his enemies,visiting their INiquities relently till 4 generations,and is a Jealous Person.But God also had great love,like our earthly father,or loves like a caring mother to her kids.The Bible said,God is very very sad,use the strong terms-grieves,disappointed with men,showing many qualities as an emotional Person,feelings of sympathy,and Jesus cried,too.In short,Jesus wants us to know God as a Heavenly Father,use illustration of human affections as a way to define God;and where did you see it stress about God’s Sovereignty,God;s arrogance,Omnipotent power,referring to our approach to Him?KH didn’t err when he said God seems to be apologising to him,as a way of explanation,because words came short,imperfect…Paul said the foolishness of God is wiser than man;so in order to attack Paul’s vernacular,we can target Paul,and question why Paul who said “”God is foolish?””.If you love Father,and love Konh Hee you will understand;but if you dislike him,and try to find fault,you can mislead others in Theological gymnastic,and cause many to puke at his so-called wrong teachings,and definitely be deceived and Judge him as abberant.

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    • Frankly Glee

      24 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Franklie Lee is a freaking madman. Bewitched smartass. Always long post, nobody reads. Complicated crazy theory, cluttering this blog. If someone knows him, please kick his crotch, and shake the sense out of his head: no one f-ing reads his comments!

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    • Frankie Lee

      24 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      I was very fortunate that I did not give away all my money least my family and two young children would have to suffer…Singapore Cabby..
      Reply: You make a right decision,then was deceived because you thought you end up in financial distress,then you realised, meeting the needs of your kids supercede Church’s donation according to the Bible,then you regret for having donated any funds for the Church CHC!Wow,you just reject God has instore for your good works,didn’t understand it all,and now you regret your Donations-buyer’s remorse!You don’t love the Church properly!.
      As a Cabby,your experience with crooks and human beings,having the sense of sharpness,is no small feat,learned and experienced.Your gifts to God through CHC,has brought untold blessings to the Church,and thousands of members,great Teachings and program,and they did many charity deeds.On top of that,your investment save lives,many lives,and now CHC having bought Suntec,now the worth is so sky-high and strong,and their noble events could still go on,blessings many lives,yet you have Buyer’s remorse?Look at the church which is so big,don’t you rejoice and be glad,rather than be in bitter-wounds?””I also have that kind of bad feelings,after I help some to become millionaires,yet then I was as poor as a Church mice”.Do I regret the good I had done,wallowed in envies,unable to overcome such demonic influence?I crucified my flesh.

      Of course I saw many presentation by Kong Hee didn’t meet up with my Holier -than-thou attitude,he did some minor mistakes,they way he solicited for funds endlessly like a beggar,almost again and again,but the last time I check,begging is no sin.Do I despised him?No.

      I promised you 100 fold return if you give,and while small minority believed got it,but those and most,i guessed by human logics,and Doubts,they cannot keep the promise,and the people unable to have strong Faith to get it.I rarely see people who spoke 100 fold return the anointing of the Holy Spirit,my perception only,but if it is under special anointings,who is to think that it is impossible with God?Honestly,I had felt disgusted,in teh flesh on many occasions seeing their bad presentations appealing for Funds,sound like a Crook,but upon examination,they are no crooks,but too zealous,out of steam only.That is why some public perception cannot take it,their modus operandi in soliciting of Funds partly due to this tactics,creating bad impression.Not to say they were wrong.I spoke to one Professional,she said didn’t you know CHC leadership ignorance?I agreed with her,I said.But I regreted it.But then I most likely use what they did,their ways of endlessly asking for donation,if my needs were great!Only Kong Hee can take the Church to higher planes.No one can substitute him,he is unique.If you love the Lord Jesus and want to see more souls entering His Kingdom,Kong Hee is the best bet…Love in Christ always..Royal Law always.

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    • LSC

      24 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Frankly Glee,

      I don’t know who is Frankie Lee, but I read.

      While some people tried to share with me about their joy when they experienced the present of God, I usually very happy that they shared their joy with me .

      Nevertheless, I do not let those “personal ‘ revelation of God to third party ….to influence me easily.

      What makes you think that if you pray fervently and read bible everyday, God cannot reveal his vision to you ?
      and then God has to go through 3rd party to tell you the vision? Well, even if yes, God has to do that…..can’t you revise few times and examine whether it is applicable to you too?

      Why I really hesitated to believe in KH is ….why he kept repeating “WHEN EVERYTHING IS OVER”…he can do this , he can do that because God told him so…?

      Does it mean he already got the answer from the local judges?if not, why he mislead the congregation?

      Many members do hope that he is fine and will just be acquitted. Ok, fine. But no matter how, the finalization of judgement still quite far insight……so, why should the members choose to believe wholeheartedly?

      If he is so truthful, why don’t he get a lawyer to counter-sue CAD ..that tarnish his image?

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    • Frankie Lee

      24 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Franklie Lee is a freaking madman. Bewitched smartass. Always long post, nobody reads. Complicated crazy theory, cluttering this blog. If someone knows him, please kick his crotch, and shake the sense out of his head: no one f-ing reads his comments!….

      Reply: You must have read it??By appearing Obnoxious,full of hatred against me,unable to refute on what I had wrote,use Vulgarities to make yourself known as enemy of God,hate what is good,made useless meaningless comments,feared me of cloggings,feared my contents,now having Phobias and bittered over my reasonings,..now who is a madman,kicking a fuss???

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    • All PARENTS must read!

      24 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      All PARENTS must read!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V40ZZhR79HA

      @0.48: The cuckoo chick has just hatched. And now the warblers have lost everything. Their lives would be totally dominated by this impostor and there is nothing they could do about it.

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    • Tshih Ming

      25 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Game. Set. Match.

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    • charlie tan

      25 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Please read Ecclesiastes 1 ; 9 “History merely repeat itself. It has all been done before. Nothing under the sun is really new” Jeremiah 17 : 9 “The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?” New Living Translation.

      It personally happened to me and please read all similar stories of churches, especially the American styled evangelical prosperity gospel churches.

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    • B4 U give $ to CHC

      25 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you read the COC reports?!

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    • kelvin poh

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Does anyone have a copy of the COC report? Care to share?

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    • Shepherd_

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 am

      Dear Eng Han,

      I had been in CHC for close to 10 years (since the Hollywood days) and left 2+ years ago before the church moved to Suntec.

      I know it must have been a difficult decision to leave. A lot of people do not really understand how much the church meant to us. Many of us literally grew up in the church and even found our life partners here. Moreover, CHC was a place where we found God. Unsurprisingly, many of us served and gave our all in His name.

      Don’t be disheartened by the names or accusations that some people are saying. Most (I suspect) of the negative comments are made by current members of the church who are trying to grasp whatever they could hold on to. Afterall, the church had been so much to them. Their responses are perhaps a defense mechanism to protect their own self-identity.

      Of course, we will always have members of the public who will rejoice at the misfortunes of others. But I would like to encourage you by saying this: “you are only truly accountable to your family members, loved ones, God, and the Singapore court”. Speak your story in court and share what really happened in CHC.

      For those readers who are still members of CHC, just touch your own hearts and just answer this: (a) did Pastor Kong state that “not a single cent from church” was spent on Sun’s career? If you have been in church long enough, Pastor Kong always explicitly says that not a single cent was used. For those who had went for mission trips with Sun (Sun with Love concerts, etc), need I go on about how much we thought Sun’s career was truly her own accomplishment? The church senior leadership has sneakily deceived its own members – geninue people who thought they were serving a higher calling and had given so much over the years.

      A parting shot: “the gospel is sacred, but the method is not….. But the method has to be just, above board, and without deceit. What good is it if you gain the world (read: people and not just material things), but lose your own soul”.

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    • Cindy

      25 Jun 2013 06:06 am

      Well said Shepard.

      I truly agree, i am with CHC for a number of years now. It’s like home to me. The number of hours spend on things like midnight prayers, weekday bible studys ..etc . I have literally poured my time, money and life into the vision of the church and it’s members. I still believe in CHC but i can’t deny that Pst Kong did on several occasions state that ” not a single cent went from the church into Sun’s singing career”. TBH, i was shocked that even when the truth is out many of my members still persist on the innocence of the leaders.

      Lastly for the members of CHC here’s a verse for all John 8:32 : “Then you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free”

      Bless
      Cindy L

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    • LSC

      25 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      Shepard has pointed correctly , especially on the phrase “The church senior leadership has sneakily deceived its own members – genuine people who thought they were serving a higher calling and had given so much over the years.”

      I remember in the year of 2002, when the album “Sun with Love” released, CGL tried their best to help the Church promote the CDs. Fine, I personally think that the album still worth buying because as beginner, we saw her put in some good effort, though she did not/ still does not has the X-factor . We, as working adults then had no problem buying 5, 6 CDs to be given away, but when I spoke to those who were unemployed or only drawn salary that just enough to feed the family, they felt very pressurized and uncomfortable about the hard-sell. During that period of time, the senior pastor kept reminding us stop adding in ‘Pastor’ in front of Sun, that’s were I started to puzzle why. I thought we were supposed to glorify God and put HIM as “1st’ in our daily walk of life? Then next, everybody knew what happened, when the US album released …wow,why must she dressed as such?She no need to choose Laura Ashley because she said she doesn’t like, but why it has to be so revealing?Even in secular world , in the eyes of non Christian, they also cannot accept , why should we stick out our neck as CHC members to pledge our full support?Regarding her “achievement’ on billboard….well, you know and I know how it came about.
      I really felt we being used as her stepping stone to glorify herself. I do not see what kind of ‘impact’ she can bring to the unsaved and how long lasting it can be , even without all these court case in place.

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      • so glad

        26 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

        So glad that you have awaken up !

    • dd

      25 Jun 2013 08:06 am

      ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER OF CHARITIES
      ———————————————————————————-

      Background

      The City Harvest Church is a registered charity since 1993. As at December 2009, the Charity had a congregation size of about 33,000 people. The congregation comprised approximately 728 Executive Members with voting powers, whilst the remaining are Ministry and Ordinary Members.

      Based on the Charity’s financial statements for the financial year ended 31 October 2009, the Charity’s income amounted to about $72 million whilst expenses amounted to about $48 million. Its net assets are estimated at $103 million.

      In early 2010, the COC received complaints alleging the misuse of the Charity’s funds and informed the CAD, when it assessed that some of these financial transactions may need to be investigated by the CAD.

      On 31 May 2010, the COC and the CAD commenced investigations into financial transactions involving several individuals and companies, related to or connected to the Charity. Separately, the COC has decided to take action under the Charities Act.

      ANNEX

      (A) Misrepresentation on the Use of the Charity’s Funds

      In 2002, the Charity’s founders, Kong Hee and Ho Yeow Sun (“Sun Ho”), embarked on a “Crossover Project” [“the Project”], with the purported intention to use Sun Ho’s secular music to connect with people and reach out to non-Christians.

      In 2003, an individual [Roland Poon Swee Kay] alleged in the media that the Charity was funding Sun Ho’s music career. This attracted public attention. This individual eventually issued a public apology and retracted his allegations. During that period, the Charity had faced media scrutiny over the allegations. Subsequently, the Charity issued press statements and made several representations to its members to state that they had not funded Sun Ho’s music career. (see “Roland Poon’s allegation in 2003″ below)

      Despite the representations made by the Charity and unknown to the Executive Members, the Charity’s funds were used to fund the Project. Over a period of 3 years (2007 to 2010), at least $23 million was used. However, during this period of time, the Executive members were not told of the actual purpose of the use of these funds.

      (B) Use of the Charity’s Funds to Fund the Project

      Between December 2007 and May 2010, the Charity’s funds were used to finance the Project under the guise of donations to its affiliated church in Kuala Lumpur, known as the City Harvest Church Kuala Lumpur [“CHCKL”]. The funds were then transmitted by CHCKL to support the Project in the United States. During this period, at least $2.1 million was transferred from the Charity to CHCKL to fund the Project. The Inquiry revealed that Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, Kelvin Teo Meng How, Tan Shao Yuen Sharon and Serina Wee Gek Yin were aware of the true purpose of the donations to CHCKL.

      In addition, donations and tithes to the Charity were transferred into a private fund known as the Multi-Purpose Account [“MPA”], administered by Serina Wee Gek Yin (the Charity’s ex-Finance Manager and Executive member) and Tan Su Pheng Jacqueline (former Personal Assistant to Kong Hee, current contract staff and Executive member of the Charity). Monies in this account were used to fund the Project. For the period April 2007 to March 2010, the funds were used for purported expenditures of Kong Hee and Sun Ho, amounting to approximately $600,000 and $3 million respectively. Selected donors were asked to transfer their contributions originally meant for the Charity’s “Arise and Build” campaign to the MPA. Some members ceased or reduced their regular tithes to the Charity after they contributed funds to the MPA. Apart from this small group of members, the existence of the MPA was not made known to the Charity’s members. There was even an attempt to conceal the existence of this Account by closing the joint bank account and dealing only in cash transactions, which was kept in a safe at the Charity.

      In or around April 2009, a plan was conceptualised by Tan Ye Peng, Chew Eng Han, Serina Wee Gek Yin and Tan Shao Yuen Sharon to transfer monies amounting to $600,000 donated by Wahju Hanafi to the Charity’s Building Fund via a “refund” of Building Fund donations into the MPA to meet some funding needs of the Project, which included US$100,000 to finance a media team from Singapore to publicise and write about Sun Ho’s music career in the United States. Inquiry revealed that the Charity had drafted letters from Wahju Hanafi and one other person indicating that their donations to the Charity were intended for specific Pastors and employees of the Charity as love gifts. It was then arranged for these said Pastors and employees to receive the “refund” as love gifts and immediately thereafter to deposit these love gifts into the MPA. The Inquiry further revealed evidence which strongly suggests that the “refund” letters were backdated, i.e. the letters were dated close to or on the date of the donations and one of the letters was dated before the date of the donations.

      (C) Schemes to Avoid Disclosure on Related Party Transactions

      Between 2006 and 2008, Kong Hee’s company sold over $3 million worth of merchandise to the Charity. The Inquiry also revealed that Kong Hee did not disclose his interests in these related party transactions in the Charity’s financial statements. In 2008, Kong Hee “refunded” royalties to the Charity amounting to approximately $770,000 from the sale of his merchandise to the Charity from 2006 to 2008. The return of these royalties was ostensibly motivated by concerns that the Charity’s auditors would require Kong Hee’s royalties to be disclosed as related party transactions. The amount “refunded” by Kong Hee was concealed as “sales discount” given to the Charity. Subsequently, the purported refunds were reimbursed to Kong Hee from the MPA and from CHCKL. Kong Hee’s “refund” of royalties to the Charity was therefore cosmetic and he was instead never “out of pocket”. The Inquiry revealed that the individuals who were aware of the above avoidance in disclosure were Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, Kelvin Teo Meng How, Tan Shao Yuen Sharon, Serina Wee Gek Yin and Tan Su Pheng Jacqueline.

      (D) Governance and Control Issues

      Evidence suggested that certain members of the Charity’s Board have been less than prudent in the discharge of their duties toward the Charity and its members. For example, the appointment of Investment Manager, Chew Eng Han’s investment company, was not properly tabled and discussed by the Charity’s Board.

      The Inquiry further revealed that when Chew Eng Han suffered financial difficulties, the Charity refunded donations amounting to about $338,000 to him in two separate tranches, i.e. $240,000 and $98,000. However, in respect of the $98,000, the Charity’s Board only gave approval for the refund of donations to Chew Eng Han 9 months after the refunds were made.

      The poor corporate governance in the Charity contributed, at least in part, to the fact that the Charity was able to maintain the above-mentioned activities for the past 3 years.

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      • Emperor Kangxi

        25 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

        Who has full Inquiry Report
        Can upload

    • leo

      25 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      I cannot believe in the pastoral leadership if :-

      a) Ps KH does not tithe since 2005 and gives only ‘offerings’.. Since when offerings are the same as tithes, and no receipts to show he gave offerings ?

      b) Lying about Sentosa – Own 50% but states it is not his

      c) Plagiarism – you all know the case already !

      d) Going on holidays to LA and speaking at CHC USA – Who paid for those air tickets since he was ‘invited’ to go by CHC. Remember CHC USA is partially funded by CHC Singapore. He is not poor you know.

      e) Love gifts given for Sun’s birthday recently – if they are so rich , how come she had the cheek to even take the hard-earned money from members who want to ‘bless’ her ?

      f) Promised on stage, that the travels would be his last trip … but off he goes to raise funds again and collect huge speaking fees from other speaking engagements. My point is let your ‘yes’ be a ‘yes’ and a ‘no’ be a ‘no’. Don’t be inconsistent and worst , forget what you commit to your congregation.

      Don’t you think it is time to use DISCERNMENT and stop giving money to him ? He is richer than all of us combined, you know ?

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    • WH

      25 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      Here’s what the Lord says to the church of Philadelphia

      REV 11: 1-2

      Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.”

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    • aftermath

      25 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      To the church members

      Don’t be fooled by all the activities such as overnight prayer meetings and all. These are but activities that were design to keep you guys reciting prayers for their innocence and preserve the unity for the sake of unity without truth.. it is psychological ploy.

      When you step out of this whole charade, everything becomes clearer and you will realize how cunning KH and the leadership are

      The church will only be truly with integrity if the leaders are revamp.. everyone at this point are covering up for kong and none is fit to lead the church.

      Ironically people like Ps Chee Kiang and Ps Darren are the only ones who dare to step out and form their own church. Maybe they should be asked back to lead the church because at least they don’t bow to kong like the rest now

      Look at Bobby, Aries and KIm Hock. They are doing all they can to cover up the deeds of their leaders. None is upright
      Unity isn’t everything. Terrorists are united too and so are North Korea communists.

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    • aftermath

      25 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      And don’t be fooled by DD.

      He is a double headed snake.

      Just watch how he will morph when he gets summon back to be a witness

      Get ready for more heartbreaks

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    • Tracker

      25 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      Is dd going to be summoned bk? He said he needed to go back to Atlanta but why did he set up church in Orange County ? Orange County n Atlanta must take plane right ?

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    • I like Shepherd’s comment

      25 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      Hi Shepherd , I am not from CHC but I ageed with what you said maybe you can post your comments on CHC confessions too for all to see! Thanks & God bless!

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    • X_FILEXXXX

      25 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      Dear Brothers and Sisters of CHC (Present and X),

      Lunch break…yippee…and time to do my bit again for Singapore’s most honest, cleanest, trustworthy, sincere, richest and anointed Pastor – Senior Pastor Kong (soon we in CHC will call him “Apostle” after the trial….yippee to ensure that his title commensurates with his moral, ethical and religious standing in Singapore….yippeee…!!)

      Yesterday during our regular meeting with our CGL, we heard about how sad Pastor Kong is presently as so many of his so-called faithfuls have deserted him just because he’s being investigated due to small accounting errors made by the finance folks….sigh!! We’re told that Pastor Kong knows that all the stories that the various Pastors gave when they deserted him are all not true, for example Pastor Derek said that he had to go back to the US because of his ailing mother; can’t be that his mother is sick for so long; Pastor Goh Yock Kiang had to go to China to check on churches there, but why check until so long and still not back; Pastor Leong Yan Chee went to the US also to see if Pastor Derek’s mother is doing fine and has still not return, Mr Chew Eng Han left because he wants to go for plastic surgery, but surely he can still be in City Harvest Church even with his face bandaged and thus no need for him to leave CHC…..sigh !!!! Pastor Kong knows that all these are just lame excuses for them to run away from him. We’re told that because Pastor Kong is a kind hearted man, a good and honest man, a man of compassion and to uphold unity in CHC, he is willing to forgive every one of them and reinstate them to their former positions in City Harvest Church and BBG. Remember the sermon preached by Pastor Kong about the prodigal son. So I hope that all the Pastors and Mr Chew who are reading this post will accept Pastor Kong’s graciousness and kindness and return to the fold so that he can hold a great feast (party) for all of them with beautiful and talented Sun performing in person and dressed in the same original attire – China Wine and Mr Bill…..yippee…!!. For the info of those who’re ignorant, Pastor Kong spent double digit $millions on the production of China Wine and Mr Bill not using Church funds. This is very very true….remember how Ronald Poon was made to apologise to Pastor Kong a few years ago when he irresponsibly made wild accusations that Pastor Kong used Church Funds. Lucky for Ronald Poon, Pastor Kong is so gracious. Otherwise he will be suit until his pants is soaking wet. So I hope that all of your in CHC will learn the lesson well and remember not to make similar accusations to mar the good name of Pastor Kong and Sun. This time it’s fair that Pastor Kong shows no more mercy to anyone like Ronald Poon. You know how rich Pastor Kong is and he can sue you until you Pok Kai….yippee….!!!

      Anyway thanks to all the evil Singaporeans for making so much trouble for our innocent and blameless Senior Pastor, a man of proven honesty and integrity and as a Senior Pastor, Pastor Kong will ever even steal 10 cents…yippee…!!. now the problem is cascading down on all of us, those who are faithful and have stayed back as members of City Harvest Church.
      Last evening during cell group, our CGL told us that he got walloping from his Pastor for the dwindling number in his and other cell groups. Our cell group used to be 13 in strength now we’ve only 5 left and we’re told to work harder to recruit more members quickly. The bottomline as shared by our CGL is the WNCGI (weekly net cell group income) and ours has dropped from a weekly average of $1,888 to only $444.44 cents. My CGL said that the figure all 444444 is a bad omen in Chinese for the Pastor Kong and we’ve to either recruit more members or to give more from our own pocket to make the average WHCGI to $1,888.88, as the number is a good omen for Pastor Kong according to him. So you see, all of you evil Singaporeans and bad City Harvest Members ie those who have left us and bad mouthed Pastor Kong and beautiful and talented Sun, you have brought much hardship and worries for innocent members like me!!

      OK….some good news….yipeee….! Pastor Kong’s offer of amnesty now applies also to all CGLs like Ronald Wong and all members that have left the Church. He will forgive all of you provided all of you will never turn your back again to him and are willing to take an oath of allegiance to him and beautiful and talented Sun and to recruit at least 5 more new members within one month so that the CHC can reinstated to its former glory state of 45,000 members. With this number, Pastor Kong being an intelligent man knows that the WNCGI will grow by at least 3 times….yippee…..!! Oh by the way, Pastor Kong has generously agreed to invite you also to the feast (party)…..yippeee….!! and watch Sun performing the US$12 million production of China Wine and Mr Bill…..yippeee…!!!

      So folks what are you waiting for? See you this Saturday and Sunday at Expo Hall No.1 ….yippeee…!!

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    • Faithful Pastors left CHC?

      25 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      Those who left to USA and China, the faithful pastors who served In CHC. I wonder is it an escape to leave at this timing ? Some even come back to support during the court case .Hmm .. I wonder if the court case is over after sometimes if CHC still doing fine , will these pastors start to proclaim God called them back to CHC to serve . :)

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    • Ha

      25 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      So this is a Christianity about??? Christian shooting each other leh! Hahaha what so different? Kong supporter attacking EH supporters and EH supporter attacking Kong supporter! Each side trying to argue that their leader is righteous by putting down each other… Lol eh… Now I know u Christian the way of proving righteousness so aggressive one ah… Aiyo all backslider laughing non believer laughing too leh!!! Hahahaha

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    • Hehe

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Dear Ha,

      Please don’t generalise.

      This issue is nothing about Christianity. it’s not about the interpretation of the Scripture and not even about the management of Churches.

      This issue is about members who have awaken up that they have been cheated, manipulated, deceived and robbed of their hard earned income by this person who called himself the senior pastor of city harvest church. It’s about crime, it’s about breaking Singapore’s laws and it’s about bringing these criminals to justice.

      This issue is not and never about Christianity. Le’s not make any mistake about the real issue here.

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    • Ha

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      What talking u?? Hehe
      U think i care about the corruption issue meh??? U guys Christian Right?? My friends and I love this column not for what issue leh is only to see how u Christians talk leh…
      Machiam like debating with true hatred leh! And trust me.. It really entertaining for us! My Christian friend everyday preach about love love Love.. Sicko! What love ur enemies! Double sicko! And this just in time to prove him wrong leh… At least ah my dear friend n teachers will stop asking us to church Lo! hehehehehe

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    • Hehe

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Dear X_FILEXXX

      Are you a student of psychology?

      Your message is loud and clear but to only those that read your post in between the lines.

      Those that continue to support KH either believe that he’s someone as you’ve described with inputs from your Pastors and CGls (I find this most disgusting) “is the most upright and most anointed and a man of utmost integrity, Pastor Kong is honestly the most honest person and someone that will not lie, plagiarise, twist the Word and steal even 10 cents” or they are fools that don’t even know that they have been had and being swindled by a smooth operator and a big time white collar criminal over such a protracted period of time.

      I hope CEH will tell the truth about all the dirty linen behind the pulpit of city harvest church that this criminal has been using to disguise and perpetuate his criminal activities..

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    • Hehe

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Dear Ha,

      Yes Christianity preaches love.
      But God is not to be mocked that evil doers and criminals should go scotch free for their crimes.

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    • Hehe

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Dear Ha,

      Having said that, yes I would agree with you that kong hee has brought ill repute and shame to Christianity.

      But I never once am convinced that he’s even a Christian let alone being a senior pastor. A man with God in his heart, with some conscience in his heart will never be capable to do the horrendous and evil acts that we’re seeing now him doing to the poor followers of city harvest church.

      In truth it’s about this wolf in sheep clothing using Christianity and God to mask his criminal activities and the deceitfulness in his heart.

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    • Lim Hardy

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      to Hehe

      You’ve hit the nail on the head!

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    • Ha

      25 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      Oh Hehe so u are from the EH camp Lo?? So are u fill with Hatred toward HEEEE? Is EH too filled with hatred??? What do u wanna to see happen to HEEHEE??

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    • Ha’s fren

      25 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Oh ya people from the KH camp, why so angry and defensive? It only normal that in bad time people leave the camp be it for genuine reason or not. I thought u guys have being taught love ur enemy? Ur friend now become ur enemy it time to walk the talk right? This made me laugh alot and shut my Christian friend up about love..
      And for EH camp I remember about Easter Day service that I went before Didn’t Jesus said let those who have no sin cast the first stone? But it seem u guys can’t wait to cast leh! Hahahaha! U guys are in for vengeance I like it!!

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    • Anonymous

      25 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      “The Board knows and believes that the senior leadership has always walked in integrity, adhering to Biblical principles through the leading of the Holy Spirit. We maintain our full confidence in the leadership.”

      This is exactly the same scenario as the NKF case. Finally, TT Durai and the NKF board resigned en masse.

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    • Lim Hardy

      25 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      To Ha and Ha’s fren

      Yes there are always 2 camps in a criminal case:

      1. The crooks and criminals. In this case – KH and perpetrators
      2. Those wanting to ensure that justice is done to these crooks and criminals. In this case – the Government and all civic minded people.

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    • EF

      25 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      By being truthful you may hurt and offend lots in the church… but you have the whole of nation with you. Push on!
      Thank you for being a huMAN WITH HEART. GOD BLESS YOU.

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    • To ha

      25 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

      Lol, u and ur frens like this column? ha ha u must be undecover HEE or HOO or EHH suPporter

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    • Angeline Ng

      25 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

      Hi Eng Han,

      You more than anyone know all the fraudulences and dishonesties of Kong Hee.

      You more than anyone know all the pains sacrifices that thousands of CHC’s members have made arising from the
      scams and rip-off by Kong Hee.

      These people believed him and gave out of good faith. Kong Hee not only exploited their trust and good faith but driven by his voracious greed for money, he even tried to get them give their savings, their homes, their health and possibly even their last dollar by asking them to give till their tears fall from their eyes and give till their heart fill the pain. How cruel!

      We’ve all read true stories of scams in Singapore but never have I heard of anything more cruel, more harsh and more forbidding than the exploits of Kong Hee.

      I therefore pray that you’ll stand firm and strong in the knowledge that you’re now an instrument of truth against falsehood, light against darkness and goodness against evil.

      God will bless you and your family abundantly.

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    • Anonymous

      25 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      I chanced upon this blog by accident while following news related to Mr Chew as was trending online. It saddens me as a Christian brethren to see this sudden turn of events. Do not ever rule out the public knowledge that the prosecution have the means to force Mr Chew to cooperate with them for clearance of lighter sentencing and maybe even full acquittal as long as he helps them to nail his fellow members so as to make an example of serious dealings with ‘corruption’ (( wayang for political interests)) and Mr Chew out of fears for his family and future is caving in to what they want him to say. Only Mr Chew would know better on this than to speculate. This is SG at work. So this is why they are giving a respite to the trial until august in order to work on one of them to make the evidence justifiable for what they have in store for them as a show to the world to dispel public doubts of their persecution. As an outsider fellow Christian, I hope I help to widen the way some of you see things than what certain elements wants you to believe as forces have infiltrated even this forum to play their hands to sway the members now, and so before anyone starts attacking this person or that with your own manipulated judgement, pray for wisdom and refrain from judging people who are badly marked for persecution. Do not play into their hands, no matter how heavy-handed. The thing we can do now is to pray for the truth to emerge than on manipulated truths. A Christian friend from another church. Best wishes and prayers to CHC and their leaders.

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      • 999

        25 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

        I know Eng Han fear God, not man. You wrote about Eng Han out of fears for his family and future is caving in to prosecution. You are WRONG!

    • Robert

      25 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      It is a sad day for CHC. Many members are disillusioned by the events that had unfolded. From the COC report millions of dollars from the Building Fund had been siphoned to fund SH secular singing career.
      There is no escape for those who are responsible for CBT and misuse of church fund. God can only help to mitigate the sentence but unlikely to go scot-free.Many members are in the dark about the going on in CHC. My gut feel is many will leave this church in due course

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    • Vbb

      25 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      Chubb

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    • Galen Tan

      25 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      Many will fall prey to false doctrines in the days ahead. If the COC report is indeed true, then it simply means that the hard-earned money of CHC members have been misused all this time. In times like this, it would be best to pray for the truth to prevail above all else.

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    • Feeling Being Cheated

      26 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      Based on the COC report that funds raised during the Arise and Build Campaign were embezzled to support KH’s and Sun’s personal luxury lifestyle, can members individually or collectively take legal against them for fraud or any appropriate criminal charge?

      It is very clear that Kong Hee has deliberately misled the members during the Arise and Build Campaign.

      Any lawyers here to advise?

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    • JJ Linn

      26 Jun 2013 12:06 am

      If all of who have posted in this thread are Christians, I think you all can potentially be the best office politics players if you were not a Christian.

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    • Juan

      26 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Patience. The matter is before the court. All will unfold in due course. Why speculate?

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    • lala

      26 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      JJ Linn
      If all of who have posted in this thread are Christians, I think you all can potentially be the best office politics players if you were not a Christian.

      Again its back to the person itself and not the religion. They can call themselves as christian but still do office politics, or dancing unpleasantly like in china wine vid.

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    • Mossad

      26 Jun 2013 01:06 am

      Decepti-Kong..

      More than meets the eye… :P

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    • I stand for what is truth!

      26 Jun 2013 02:06 am

      Dear alI, I would like to use this opportunity try to share my story.
      You all can never imagine how they can fool around your life. 2 years ago, because me just started working. I attended its affiliated church in Kuala Lumpur. I give so much to A&B. There is a period of time I even took part time job working in 24 hours fast food restaurant at mid night and morning I have to work in office. Just want to full fill my A&B. I never even give so much money to my own parents before. All I thought is I gave to the kingdom of God and commit to the right vision.
      Cut it short… Throughout this one year 2011 I had so much experience in Chc KL that I couldn’t explain.That’s few things I want to mention is abuse of authority, greed, pride, lies, wrongful labeling and practice of favoritism. All this things which will never happen and teach in my small hometown church.
      After all this I decided to leave alone.
      This is the time my journey with God is so tough. All the church leaders started to do whatever they can to put me into the position as a sinner including my CGL which is the key leader in church. All my closed friends used to be vey nice but after things happen. They follow what the leader told them to do. They leave me and fight for the church.
      I felt so sad and miserable. I dun blame them I knew behind there is one person give the instruction and they are controlled. My heart breaks. I couldn’t find anyone to talk to. As I still believe in Christ. I not going to church anymore after that.
      After 1 year. I relocate my self to Singapore I decided to join City Harvest Church again. What I thought is might be different with the church here. But after I read this statement I realize it’s so similar with my personal experience in CHC KL. I’m sure what Mr Chew experience right now is even more challenge than me and I know how its feel. Thanks God! Thank You Mr Chew ! You are the real model for us to defend for the truth even it’s tough.
      Right now there is so many people controlled by the church. They dun allow to have any opinion question. They force to believe blindly without any truth if not they are call sinner. They teach to obedient to the authority. I pray many people will see this and they will set free. No longer live what people’s thinking and master the bible themselves. They will live what God wants us to live.
      Fear not man but God.

      The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable

      If you tell the truth , you dun have to remember everything

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      • The truth will set you free!

        26 Jun 2013 08:06 am

        Won't be surprised of what you had experienced as the senior pastor of CHCKL , Kevin Loo is a disciple of Kong Hee.

      • To: 康希

        26 Jun 2013 08:06 am

        領導層不是由話語乃是由行為來衡量的。你可以每个小时用神的话语来装饰 你的twitter, FB status, 没有人会忘记你如何盗用信徒的捐款在hollywood打造 Sun Ho!你给所有基督徒留下了臭名声!我只从你跟Sun Ho身上看到四个字~ 知错不改!

    • Confused Ah Beng

      26 Jun 2013 06:06 am

      Oi, this is Ah Bang. You all make me very cunfused leh. You say your god say love your bludder. But you fight like crazy.
      Your ah tow say love your god not your money. But your ah-tow, you know, your headman, they call him kong hee fatt choy, he live in Sentosa Cove man, Wah lau! He say if you give him 100 money, his god will give you 10,000 money. Wah! Better than 4-D. Better than Casino leh. Guaranteed you know. Wah lau! I also want! But wait wait. What god is that ah? god of fortune ah? Chai Sen Yeh ah? But you all say casino is sin leh. Because got SIN inside. Then how? Wah lau. vely cunfusing deh. But never mind, easy money I also want. But wait wait.Then why only he Iive in Sentosa Cove ah? You all should be living in Sentosa Cove what? Then why I hear he want to move to Changi ah? Very cunfusing. Maybe your god like to cunfuse people. So, you all love who? Your ah tow? Your god of fortune? Your money? Your bludder? But you say your god say you can only love him wor! Then how? Ai yo, Ah Beng not stupid! But Ah Beng money also not enough. But Ah Beng very confused. I want to come to your church to get more money. But true or not ah? Better wait until you all live in Sentosa Cove first lah. Then I come worship your money god ok?

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    • LSC

      26 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      Dear ” I stand for what is truth!”

      I have the similar experience , I know the money has lost and there is no way that we , the innocent donor, can get it back from KH and his wife. . But I believe wholeheartedly that God knows our plight and HE knew that when we first pledged to A&B, we were meant to show our love to HIM.But now it turned out to be “there are many other side of stories”!
      I told God I am literally disappointed and from now on I pray that I can make it back, I really wanted to give meaningful monthly allowance back to my parents! all this years I just gave a fraction compared to what I gave to the A&B(in which I really do not see how often me and my family can enjoy being there to worship God PROPERLY). I know my parents doesn’t need my money but I still wish I can give to them by the amount I gave more than A&B. Guess what happen? right after my eyes are opened,I really got out of the guilt of “not giving enough to A&B or so much lesser compared to those who went on stage who shared testimony”, I am set free now, and my income is improved substantially! Praise the Lord, I know HE is with me! Put income earned aside, my parents really happy for me now as I started to bless people around me more generously….they love seeing me always bless all elderly like their age! Wow…! Thank you mum and dad, if you read it here, I just want to let you know how bless I am to still have the full support and unconditional love from both of you !

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      • Yin

        27 Jun 2013 12:06 am

        Dear LSC
        Even if your parents didn't read your message here, they would have felt your love for them without you giving them anything. I know this, being a parent myself.

        Above all things, our Father God had already received your love and your giving as a sweet aroma of offering because you gave from your heart onto God and not onto man.

        Let not this experience steal your faith. Look upon Jesus and he will turn all things to good for those who loved and trusted him.

        Take care.

    • Mahatma Gandhi

      26 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      Dear CHC, I like your Christ, but I don’t like your christians, because your christians are not like your Christ.

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      • 26 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

        Amen

      • 26 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

        Ptl

    • Christina

      26 Jun 2013 07:06 am

      Dear Eng Han
      My prayer for you is that you will find a new community of believers to journey with you. That you will come to know God more intimately and your faith will grow stronger. Grace, peace and wisdom be your portion

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    • Cult Hater

      26 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      I stand for what is truth!

      Your experience is typical of anyone trying to leave a cult.

      Many young Singaporeans in CHC experienced the same feelings, journey and despair.

      So just warn others of this cult.

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    • Jesus Christ

      26 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      TRUTH? What is TRUTH?

      I, am the TRUTH, the WAY, and the LIFE!

      Anyone who wants to come after me must deny himself daily, take up his cross and follow me!

      You cannot worship both God and money. Choose.

      There is only one God. Kong Hee is not God. He is a false prophet, destined for hell fire, unless he confess to his crimes and repent and bear fruits worthy of repentance.

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    • conhee style

      26 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      i think con hee has his own teaching: if someone stole from your pocket, let him stole from your fight pocket too

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    • ET sb

      26 Jun 2013 10:06 am

      Bro eng han is silent ? ! This is your blogg

      Reply
      • admin

        26 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

        Dear ET sb
        This is not Eng Han's blog.

    • Anonymous

      26 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      Too much noise and garbage now. I wouldn’t be here too if I am EH.

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    • Ty

      26 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      This place is only for truth. There is no confusion here ! :)

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    • bystander

      26 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      I see self proclaim truth from both side and i see loyalty but i dont see God and love. i see people who have truth( or they think they have) but feel with bitterness. Both believe their side is the truth and ridicule each other JUST to prove one thing ur side is correct.. Jesus have never doubt He Himself is the truth, The Way and The Light..but He didnt go all out to prove that…If He wanna so badly to prove that He is who He is there are faster way isnt it? But He didnt.. He uses the long suffering way he wait and love… as for here… which both sides quoting bible verses just for the sake of shutting the other side up.. glad u guys have faith in ya leadership, glad that you guys Hope that the truth shall be reveal… but Faith, Hope and Love choose Love. If you know that u r the real truth side which means the other side of the camp have being misled.. shouldnt your heart goes out to them and pray for them that in due time they will see the truth and not here trying to demean each other for being foolish to be on the wrong side. Jesus is the truth but He didn’t win the people with the truth He win them with love…

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    • Confused

      26 Jun 2013 03:06 pm

      CHC responded with the following statement

      DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS,

      We are saddened by news of Chew Eng Han’s decision to leave City Harvest Church, which he announced yesterday.

      Eng Han was a fund manager for and Board Member of CHC, and has been part of the family for 17 years. His children have grown up in this church. He has served in various ministries over the years, such as leading the Business Breakthrough Group. He has contributed in many ways to the vision and mission of CHC, including the Crossover Project.

      While we do not fully understand the reasons for his current sentiments, we wish nothing but the best for Eng Han and his family, and thank him for all his contributions.

      The Board knows and believes that the senior leadership has always walked in integrity, adhering to Biblical principles through the leading of the Holy Spirit. We maintain our full confidence in the leadership. Over the last 24 years, they have worked hard to maintain and protect the interests of the church and the members, and we trust they will continue to do so.

      The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the Board and the church leadership have always leaned on God for all decisions of the past, and will continue leaning on Him even in this time of difficulty.

      We take comfort in the fact that in the Bible, even colleagues in the ministry, such as Paul and Barnabas, had parted ways, only for the glory of God and the furtherance of the Gospel.

      It is our hope and prayer as the Board that CHC will be even more united in such a time as this, that as a church, every member will put his and her trust in the Lord and remain steadfast in prayer.

      Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you. (2 Cor 13:11, NKJV)

      In Christ,

      Lee Kiam Hiong
      Secretary
      2013/2014 CHC Management Board
      City Harvest Church

      [Source]: http://www.chc.org.sg/#!a-leadership-update-from-the-chc-board-22-jun-2013

      A LEADERSHIP UPDATE FROM THE CHC BOARD

      Dear Brothers and Sisters,

      We are saddened by news of Chew Eng Han’s decision to leave City Harvest Church, which he announced yesterday. Business Breakthrough Group Limited (BBG), which Eng Han leads, has also decided to exit from the spiritual covering of CHC and become independent.

      While we can understand Eng Han’s situation, what he has expressed are his personal views.

      The Board has been working with the senior leadership for many years and knows and believes that the senior leadership has always walked in integrity, adhering to Biblical principles through the leading of the Holy Spirit. We maintain our full confidence in the leadership. Over the last 24 years, they have worked hard to maintain and protect the interests of the church and the members, and we trust they will continue to do so.

      The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the Board and the church leadership have always leaned on God for all decisions of the past, and will continue leaning on Him even in this time of difficulty.

      We take comfort in the fact that in the Bible, even colleagues in the ministry, such as Paul and Barnabas, parted ways, only for the glory of God and the furtherance of the Gospel.

      It is our hope and prayer as the Board that CHC will be even more united in such a time as this, that as a church, every member will put his and her trust in the Lord and remain steadfast in prayer.

      Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you. (2 Cor13:11, NKJV)

      In Christ,

      Lee Kiam Hiong
      Secretary
      2013/2014 Management Board
      City Harvest Church

      Updated as at 24 June 2013

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    • Everyman

      26 Jun 2013 05:06 pm

      This is not Eng Han’s blog.

      But it’s a platform for him to post whatever he wants, no questions asked. A platform for him to push his own self-serving agenda. A platform for him to posture and display his righteousness and ‘stand for the Truth’.

      A platform which the BBG has allowed to exist, where differences can be aired, and disputes can be played out in a very public manner.

      Well done Mrs Light and Friends. Well done BBG.

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    • Childish

      26 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

      Childish

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    • Concerned Citizen

      26 Jun 2013 06:06 pm

      In response to CEH’s resignation, CHC Board on 22 June states –
      “The Board knows and believes that the senior leadership has always walked in integrity, adhering to Biblical principles through the leading of the Holy Spirit. We maintain our full confidence in the leadership”

      Then in response to CEH’s reply and the break away by the BBG, CHC Board on 24 June states -
      “The Board has been working with the senior leadership for many years and knows and believes that the senior leadership has always walked in integrity, adhering to Biblical principles through the leading of the Holy Spirit.”

      Do the above statements from the BOD infer that Senior Pastor Kong Hee is innocent?

      As these statements were made openly to church members and the public, isn’t this an interference in the current judicial process? Isn’t this an offence?

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    • Anonymous

      26 Jun 2013 07:06 pm

      For all the progress made so far , with Thanks to The Lord and all the people’s prayers, now Mr Chew had to derailed the whole process to compromise the others, as if he is the only one who has family and is not young anymore. I do recall he was also the person who compromised their case from the start by asking for a Queen’s Counsel which already offended the judiciary and the governing powers that be, Now he is doing this again, where is his faith, want about qualities of loyalty, gratitude, fraternity and most important, the faith that GOD can deliver him and the others than to take this cowardly step to betray the others. Why now this sudden change in stance to distant from the others, under coercion or guarantee special protection to bring down his fellow church brethren. But this is between you and GOD, only you know whether if you are being really true to yourself or true to GOD. As a concerned fellow Christian, I urged you to pray and reflect on your choices carefully between you and GOD. You must be Strong in the Lord and not in men and be governed by your own conscience of rightful doing than any fears of the dragging ordeals and what it may bring.
      May GOD Be Glorified in and through CHC once again.
      Friendky neighborhood Christian outsider

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    • Anonymous

      26 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      My sincere apologies if i’m being too assuming and upfront, but I am one of those chiristian from other churches who stands on the side of CHC and wish them all well even though many are judging you unfairly. Cling on to the LORD and don’t let go. Blessed is the man that Trust in HIM..

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    • Anonymous

      26 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      ‘You must be Strong in the Lord and not in men and be governed by your own conscience of rightful doing than any fears of the dragging ordeals and what it may bring.’

      Rightful doing as standing in the Lord ‘s Righteousness on whom all your sins are already forgiven. So be strong in the LORD and do right with GOD and with your bretnren in CHC. No one will blame you no matter what u have decided.

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    • Vbb

      26 Jun 2013 08:06 pm

      What a good place for us to share. Hope more people can see this!

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    • Answers to every one the questions you will

      26 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

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    • Perplexed

      26 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Anonymous “For all the progress made so far , with Thanks to The Lord and all the people’s prayers, now Mr Chew had to derailed the whole process to compromise the others, as if he is the only one who has family and is not young anymore.”

      Sorry I can’t quite understand what you’re trying to suggest. What has Mr Chew done “to compromise the others”?
      Compromise what?

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    • KLC

      26 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      Yes God will be glorified again in and through CHC but certainly without KH, Sun and the current bunch of crooks in Management and compromised BOD.

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    • Who is the traitor?

      26 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      If Pastor Con Hee has not turn traitor and Judas selling God for his Sentosa Cove penthouse, his US$28,000 a month rented LA mansion, his numerous properties in Singapore, US, Indonesia, Malaysia and Taiwan, and the millions he is hording in all his banks accounts – this problem will never had been.

      Make no mistake about it who is the traitor!

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    • Anonymous

      26 Jun 2013 09:06 pm

      If Pastor Con Hee has not turn traitor and Judas selling God for his Sentosa Cove penthouse, his US$28,000 a month rented LA mansion, his numerous properties in Singapore, US, Indonesia, Malaysia and Taiwan, and the millions he is hording in all his banks accounts – this problem will never had been.

      Make no mistake about it who is the traitor!

      Make no mistake about it who is giving Christianity a bad name!

      And make no mistake about it – those who genuinely want to propose solutions – first know what and where is the problem!

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    • Mossad

      26 Jun 2013 10:06 pm

      TO Everyman

      You sound like a Die hard Kong Hee/Sun Ho supporter.. (note i did not mention CHC, because neither the church or it members belong to these two)..

      Before you start slamming others in the name of your “god”.. it would be wiser to get your facts correct first. Anyway, we don’t have to wait long.. Kong Hee asked to wait for for him to speak right? August is coming.. i would very much love to see how he handle himself under pressure..

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    • Follow the truth

      26 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      My friend share this to me. I’m set free! Lord help us and save us from the evil !

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    • I stand for you Jesus!

      26 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      There is nothing we can do. They are the person with power. Chc is an organisation. They are the boss! There is no such thing as the kingdom of God.

      Stand firm! We need to have wisdom and common sence to know who is our leader. We can’t follow blindly!

      We fear God not man !

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    • RSI

      26 Jun 2013 11:06 pm

      I’m blessed! Mr Chew, are you becoming a pastor? Which church are you going? What is your plan for next?

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    • Brother-in-CHRIST

      27 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      Are you listening, Mr Chew? Please Pray to GOD for your decision and listen to his voice and not your own. For all the progress made so far , with Thanks to The Lord and all the people’s prayers, now u had to derail and reverse the positive developments, you are not the only one past your prime who has a family. Don’t you know that your actions in asking by asking for a Queen’s Counsel had aggravated the situation to offend the judiciary and the governing powers that be, don’t fall into their devices and promises or the advice of your lawyers, listen to GOD, Muster your faith, and abandon not the qualities of loyalty, gratitude, fraternity and most important, the faith of trust that GOD can deliver you and the others than to take this cowardly step to betray the others. I tell you this action will not make it any better for you while it may endanger the rest. Why now this sudden change in stance to distanced and disassociate from the others,under coercion or guarantee special protection to bring down his fellow church brethren. But this is between you and GOD, only you know whether if you are being really true to yourself or true to GOD. As a concerned fellow Christian, I urged you to pray and reflect on your choices carefully between you and GOD. You must be Strong in the Lord and not in men and be governed by your own conscience of rightful doing than any fears of the dragging ordeals and what it may bring. ’ Rightful doing as standing in the Lord ‘s Righteousness on whom all your sins are already forgiven. So be strong in the LORD and do right with GOD and with your bretnren in CHC. No one will blame you no matter what u have decided.

      My sincere apologies if i’m being too assuming and upfront, but I am one of those chiristian from other churches who stands on the side of CHC and wish them all well even though many are judging you unfairly.

      You must be Strong in the Lord and not in men and be governed by your own conscience of rightful doing than any fears of the dragging ordeals and what it may bring.

      Cling on to the LORD and don’t let go. Blessed is the man that Trust in HIM…

      May GOD Be Glorified in and through CHC once again.
      A concerned Christian outsider

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    • Brother-in-CHRIST

      27 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      Are you listening, Mr Chew? Please Pray to GOD for your decision and listen to his voice and not your own. For all the progress made so far , with Thanks to The Lord and all the people’s prayers, now u had to derail and reverse the positive developments, you are not the only one past your prime who has a family. Don’t you know that your actions in asking by asking for a Queen’s Counsel had aggravated the situation to offend the judiciary and the governing powers that be, don’t fall into their devices and promises or the advice of your lawyers, listen to GOD, Muster your faith, and abandon not the qualities of loyalty, gratitude, fraternity and most important, the faith of trust that GOD can deliver you and the others than to take this cowardly step to betray the others. I tell you this action will not make it any better for you while it may endanger the rest. Why now this sudden change in stance to distanced and disassociate from the others,under coercion or guarantee special protection to bring down his fellow church brethren. But this is between you and GOD, only you know whether if you are being really true to yourself or true to GOD. As a concerned fellow Christian, I urged you to pray and reflect on your choices carefully between you and GOD. You must be Strong in the Lord and not in men and be governed by your own conscience of rightful doing than any fears of the dragging ordeals and what it may bring. ’ Rightful doing as standing in the Lord ‘s Righteousness on whom all your sins are already forgiven. So be strong in the LORD and do right with GOD and with your bretnren in CHC. No one will blame you no matter what u have decided thereafter upon hearing GOD’s promptings, and not on your own fears.

      My sincere apologies if i’m being too assuming and upfront, but I am one of those chiristian from other churches who stands on the side of CHC and wish them all well even though many are judging and mocking ya guys unfairly.

      Cling on to the LORD and don’t let go. Blessed is the man that Trust in HIM…

      May GOD Be Glorified in and through CHC once again.
      A concerned Christian outsider

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    • Brother-in-CHRIST

      27 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      Are you listening, Mr Chew? Please Pray to GOD for your decision and listen to his voice and not your own. For all the progress made so far , with Thanks to The Lord and all the people’s prayers, now u had to derail and reverse the positive developments, you are not the only one past your prime who has a family. Don’t you know that your actions in asking by asking for a Queen’s Counsel had aggravated the situation to offend the judiciary and the governing powers that be, don’t fall into their devices and promises or the advice of your lawyers, listen to GOD, Muster your faith, and abandon not the qualities of loyalty, gratitude, fraternity and most important, the faith of trust that GOD can deliver you and the others than to take this cowardly step to betray the others. I tell you this action will not make it any better for you while it may endanger the rest. Why now this sudden change in stance to distanced and disassociate from the others,under coercion or guarantee special protection to bring down your fellow church brethren. But this is between you and GOD, only you know whether if you are being really true to yourself or true to GOD. As a concerned fellow Christian, I urged you to pray and reflect on your choices carefully between you and GOD. You must be Strong in the Lord and not in men and be governed by your own conscience of rightful doing than any fears of the dragging ordeals and what it may bring. ’ Rightful doing as standing in the Lord ‘s Righteousness on whom all your sins are already forgiven.

      So be strong in the LORD and do right with GOD and with your bretnren in CHC. No one will blame you no matter what u have decided thereafter upon hearing GOD’s promptings, and not on your own fears.

      My sincere apologies if i’m being too assuming and upfront, but I am one of those chiristian from other churches who stands on the side of CHC and wish them all well even though many are judging and mocking ya guys unfairly.

      Cling on to the LORD and don’t let go. Blessed is the man that Trust in HIM…

      May GOD Be Glorified in and through CHC once again.
      A concerned Christian outsider

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    • Brother-in-CHRIST

      27 Jun 2013 09:06 am

      Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ, see that the blog, as with the previous, is now overrun with your accusers infiltration for the furtherance of their agendas.

      Don’t ever let go no matter how strong are the pressures. Continue to stand strong and united, Blessed is the man who seeks and trust in the LORD.

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    • hey Brother-in-CHRIST

      27 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      So u are saying his actions are against Gods will? If you believe God can deliver those people then why say this? ” while it may endanger the rest”, are you doubting ur statement?

      Im concerned that u are not an outsider.. in the mean time enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GgxsfODXrI

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    • LSC

      27 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      hey Brother-in-Christ,

      Do you know that many who don’t know Eng Han in person left even much earlier ?are all of them coward ?

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    • Who is the traitor?

      27 Jun 2013 11:06 am

      Hi Brother-in-Christ

      Since you said that you’re a concerned Christian and therefore very concern about God’s people, have you asked yourself who has been and is still misleading, cheating and robbing God’s people not only their monies but possibly their salvation too by his false gospel?

      Do you know the answer?

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    • Who is the traitor?

      27 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      Hi Brother-in-Christ,

      If Pastor Con Hee has not turn traitor and Judas selling God for his Sentosa Cove penthouse, his US$28,000 a month rented LA mansion, his numerous properties in Singapore, US, Indonesia, Malaysia and Taiwan, and the millions he is hording in all his banks accounts – this problem will never had been.

      Make no mistake about it who is the traitor!

      Make no mistake about it who is giving Christianity a bad name!

      And make no mistake about it – those who genuinely want to propose solutions – first know what and where is the problem!

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    • Who is the traitor?

      27 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      Hi Brother-in-Christ

      And as a Christian, you’re praying that Pastor Con Hee gets away scot free?

      Are you a Christian or a disciple of the evil one?

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    • Hehe

      27 Jun 2013 12:06 pm

      this brother in Christ could well be master conman conhee himself hoping that he can continue conning people in this blog….hehe.

      who can be so stupid like brother in Christ to make such postings when everyone knows that master conman conhee deserves nothing less than a life sentence in changi mansion…hehe

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    • From CHC Confession

      27 Jun 2013 01:06 pm

      Interesting analysis to understand how the big bad wolf/crook conhee who called himself senior pastor of city harvest church has been kapoing our money.

      http://www.facebook.com/CHCConfessions?hc_location=stream

      Very simple. Church’s operating budget came from tithing and offering. It was $40-48m each year until 2009. So $500m for 10 years is not too far off. KH could have pocketed a few millions from the annual $12m mission donation easily. But he got greedy. Intentionally purchased a stake in Suntec which didn’t make financial sense from any investment perspectives. It is believed that this serves KH in three ways 1) This increases CHC’s taking by another $20m+ each year through A&B campaigns 2) This frees up rental expenses from the operating budget; CHC operating budget can then afford to give $12m and more for Mission donations each year, which KH can siphon off easily through CHC KL/Penang and other small churches that do KH’s biddings. All in the name of Crossover 3) Invoked the needs to shift which is in alignment with Singapore Tourism Promotion Board’s aim to promote Singapore MICE hub status. The shifting and AVI work is a big cash cow as each shift is inflated to $1m through Xtron and some unknown contractors. This amounted to $15m just for the first year in Suntec. All fellow CIty Harvesters, despite owning 20% of Suntec at a cost of more than $43m+ at that time, CHC still had to fork out $30m rental and shifting expenses, just to USE Suntec facilities during the first year. The dividend from the 20% stake at that time was only $2m+ – How could the congregation allow this wanton waste of God’s money?

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    • Speechless

      27 Jun 2013 02:06 pm

      From CHC Confession,

      It leaves me literally speechless and dumbfounded reading the above revelation.

      I will pray everyday that those who’re responsible for this carnage will face God’s judgement at the appointed time and for now that they’ll be put away for a long time so that they cannot do any more such harm.

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    • Freedom.

      27 Jun 2013 04:06 pm

      Dear all,

      I am a member of CHC and also a member of BBG.
      I would like to clarify certain amusing allegations that have been going around (Source unknown but obvious):

      Rumor:
      1) Eng Han is a bitter, angry, rebellious man that has been plotting and orchestrating this move for months.

      Fact:
      When Eng Han was made aware of certain irregularities, he was surprised and at the same time puzzled, he did constantly try to clarify certain matters with the people involved but the fact of the matter is, his questions were not answered, in fact there were efforts to avoid answering his questions.

      The fact of the matter is, Eng Han and the leadership were aware of these matters for months now, and they have been keeping it quietly to themselves, and not broadcasting it to the entire world as what they are being accused of. The reason is simple, they believed in the leadership and they believed in unity and they didn’t want to stumble the younger members, instead they prayed constantly for the church and it’s members.

      History has proven that once an individual disagrees and leaves CHC, somehow,like out of the blue *plays x files theme song*.. Rumors starts to fly all around.. it seems that the intent was to destroy a person’s reputation, name etc.. and i thought that God= Love?

      Rumour
      2) Since Eng Han announced the news that he would be leaving CHC, he has constantly met up with various members of BBG and CHC and forced them to make a choice.

      Fact:
      This allegation is groundless and ridiculous, to have such an vicious allegation against Eng Han and the leaders of BBG, as a member, i personally take offense at this.. you have insulted my intelligence by saying that i am unable to make a reasonable decision on my own.

      This is far from the truth, never once has Eng Han or it’s leaders forced their members to chose.. reason being, it is indeed an extremely tough and painful decision to make. And no reasonable leader, that has their member’s welfare at heart would force them to be in such a situation.

      Rumour:
      3) Eng Han has been going all around meeting up masses of people, attempting to “brainwash” them.

      Fact:
      i quote President Obama: “”This is part of free speech is you being able to speak but also you listening. And me being able to speak. All right?”

      We are all entitled to free speech, and we are all entitled to know the truth about matters, don’t you find it puzzling that each time when asked, you get answers like “Don’t doubt the leadership..” “Don’t believe in what you read in the internet”.. “Don’t judge”… and the list of standard SOP replies goes on and on… and sometimes the trademark reply: (Please see URL to have a better understanding,

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHp4ABTXKP8

      I believe in this quote: “I have no right to judge but i have the right to know the truth. With this truth, comes the right decision.”

      Don’t you feel that every single one of us, who needlessly throw in countless of man-hours to serve, who give to the building fund, tithes and etc deserves the right to know the truth?

      If your answer is no, than i guess that you are in the wrong place, you shouldn’t be reading this.

      Week after week, we have been brainwashed to believe that our church, Pastor Kong is under persecution and spiritual attack from the government and the devil.. (poor dear devil, gets blamed all the time)…

      But seriously, God gave each and everyone of us a free gift, it’s called “common sense”.. now it’s time to use it, do you think that CAD, COC, CPIB.. they would charge people without having solid evidence? if you do, dude,, i pray for wisdom to be upon you..

      I find it disturbing that we were fed lies about all these, truth of the matters is, there is wrong being done here, and yes, the authorities have every right to do what they did.. Bible says that ALL AUTHORITY comes from God.. don’t you find it weird that an “order” is coming from the stage asking you to “defy” the authority that governs this sovereign land?

      Please note that these isn’t about being against, CHC, BBG, it’s members etc.. It’s about the truth, God our Abba Father stands on truth and justice.. Please do not force the members to pick a side.. Enough is enough.. the last i heard, some over zealous cgl in some zone, pressured a young daughter of a certain BBG leader to chose between Pastor Kong and her father.. Please? Have we became a cult? And if you are that cgl.. or Zs in charge of this cgl.. you have every right to repent and act on it.

      How many more friendships, relationships must be destroyed? How many more families must be torn apart before you sickos wake up your idea..

      Darn you guys are getting us into this situation. Seriously.. Darn you.

      Yes i will pray, but instead now, i will pray for wisdom and anointing on the prosecutors.. i will pray that they will nail you guys.. and you guys will be punished for what you did.. and the innocent will be freed, vindicated..

      I am looking forward to August..

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